Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

> Sounds like yearly payback is somewhere between $10.00 and $40.00. > Sounds kind of small for an investment of more than $1000. That's 1% to 4%. Better than most banks. And FAR better for the future since it displaces X amount of coal burning. So if it is equal or better than most other

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Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

Most investments pay more than that. Using bank interest as an indication in this low interest rate environment isn't appropriate. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 22, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> Sounds like yearly payback is somewhere between $10.00 and

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Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

-Original Message- >> That's 1% to 4%. Better than most banks. And FAR better for the >> future since it displaces X amount of coal burning. > I'll bet a cup of coffee that stationary panels going to a set of batteries used as a dump pack for the golf cart would still financially

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Perovskite solar cells may power electric

Schlörwagen is the vehicle built in the 30's with a .16CD. The list gods didn't like the URL and put random characters in the URL. Replace Schlorwagen in the URL or search Wikipedia or the web.

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Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

On 22 Sep 2015 at 11:28, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > carting the panels around with you is the most over-the-top wasteful > way to get to a "green" car. It worsens your vehicle's aerodynamics, too. Not only are you wasting energy you could harvest by leaving the PVs at home, you're also

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Perovskite solar cells may power electric

On 22 Sep 2015 at 18:39, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099022_new-stella-solar-electric-c > ar-produces-more-energy-than-it-uses here is the most practical design > for a modern solar vehicle. s/most practical/most nearly practical/g Great, if all your

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

Let me take the math another direction. It looks like David calculated a net gain of about 84,000 Wh per year. Let's round that up to 100,000 Wh per year. That is 100 kWh. Assuming electricity costs somewhere between $0.10 and $0.40 per kWh. Sounds like yearly payback is somewhere between

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

Bob, I think the comparison of dump pack versus roof mounted option was comparing a house mounted solar+dump solution to a *car*roof mounted solar panel, which is easy to beat in financial terms due to the cost of flexible solar for car roof and the unreliable insolation on a car. Other attempts

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is itworth it?

I think this discussion points out, though, that the money might be better placed on the house where it can lead to a bigger array, more electricity, and a better return. Of course, it probably takes a larger investment too. Mike On September 22, 2015 5:31:02 PM MDT, Robert Bruninga via EV

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

It’s an interesting problem that I believe has a moving target since in some places you get paid retail for your excess electrons but in other jurisdictions you get paid a fraction of retail. The power companies if they had their way would pay a pittance for your excess and then sell you back the

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

EVDL Administrator wrote: The autonomous onboard-PV EV is a sweet dream. Who wouldn't love to drive on pure sunshine and never have to fuel up or plug in? But at the current state of the art, that's your heart talking, not your head. Ben Goren via EV wrote: Not just current state of the

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is itworth it?

> Most investments pay more than that. Using bank interest as an indication in this low interest rate environment isn't appropriate. Huh? Tell me where? I have a CD at 2.2% and my advisor said hang on to it, since she knows of no other similar secure investment rate. The other CD is at 1.9%

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

On 22 Sep 2015 at 15:12, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > People forget that battery systems are not only very inefficient ... Doesn't that depend on how you use them? For example, lead batteries are very close to 100% efficient between 0% and 80% SOC. Virtually all of the energy goes into

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is itworth it?

> I can't advise you what to do with *your* investments, as everyone has different needs, but these days a safe high dividend paying stock will give you better and relatively safe returns. Sure, and now much of those S investeemtns are in oil and gas and all manner of status-quo heading pel-mel

[EVDL] Railroad solar? (was: Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts...)

Interesting point. Also, the cars "draft" one another so the air resistance is quite low as well. It takes only ~0.6 HP to move per ton to propel a train 50 mph. About 5% of the energy that it takes to move a truck or a car at the same speed.

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is itworth it?

You said 1-4%. We weren't talking about solar on the house, but on the car. Wasn't that the point. I would use the S index for a comparative rate of return. *Every* rate is based on a commensurate risk, but I don't consider the S risky over the long term, and we *are* talking about long term

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

Yes, but a grid-tied solar system does not need a "dump battery" so that is a 100% wasted investment. Just charge from the net-metereed solar system as is. Bob -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via EV Sent: Tuesday, September

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Perovskite solar cells may power electric

You are still thinking 3000 pound conversions. Cut the weight and cut the battery weight. Get good aerodynamics. I bet Clouds Dolphin would do great with a 1kw of solar. Imagine it at 1500 pounds with a small pack. Just do the math. It's all about the numbers. The lighter the vehicle the

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

On 22 Sep 2015 at 19:35, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Yes, but a grid-tied solar system does not need a "dump battery" so that > is a 100% wasted investment. Just charge from the net-metereed solar > system as is. Barring an unlikely major change in America's political system that vastly

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

Agreee. Simply do the math for your application. Then compare the value of the charge to your cost. Done. Of course, everyone's value may be different. I drive around with $2000 worth of solar panels (200W) on the roof of my EV, just to make it more visibily obvious. Gets the conversations

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

I think it depends on why you want it. If you are altruistic and want to cut your grid usage, then it helps. If you think you'll get more range out of a charge, then apply David's calculations to the amount of Wh you'll get while on the course. Probably just a few percent more range. Peri

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[EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

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Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

On 09/22/2015 09:19 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 22 Sep 2015 at 3:50, brucedp5 via EV wrote: ? Is this a useful product worthy of the co$t, or is it a profitable feel-good add-on for bragging-rights ? What it MIGHT do that's potentially at least as useful -- IF you park mostly

Re: [EVDL] Light-weight 100W PV roof panel for 48V e-carts> ?Is it worth it?

On 22 Sep 2015 at 3:50, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > ? Is this a useful product worthy of the co$t, or is it a profitable > feel-good add-on for bragging-rights ? Much of the answer is right in the story: > As a yearly average, the system generates 29 percent of the total energy > required to