A number of things to correct here:
- Availability dates:
Well, a history lesson for you….technically, yes, Honda did start producing an
FCX Clarity in 2008 in Japan, and first available there. However, this was
essentially a run of demo vehicles with a very limited number of people that
Other than my mistake about the total number of H2 fueling stations, what
specifically was incorrect?
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August 23, 2021 5:57 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" wrote:
> Sums it up nicely with incorrect information?
>
> - Mark
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> Sent from my
Sums it up nicely with incorrect information?
- Mark
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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
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> Enough with the hydrogen, Peter sums it up nicely.
>
>> On 8/23/2021 7:27 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
>> I thought it was obvious I
Yep. My money is on the bully factor.
- Mark
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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
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> Yes, it is enteresting that nobody (including you) has posted a single
> advantage that FCEVs currently have over BEVs.
>
> Rather telling
You may disagree, but they did give some reasons why someone might choose one
over another.
To a question “Is an FCEV or a BEV the better choice for a consumer?” The
answer is “it depends.”
- Mark
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> On Aug 23, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV
A few responses:
FCEVs are certainly earlier stage than EVs. Costs are coming down quickly. But
to the consumer, FCEVs aren’t necessary more expensive. For the cost of a Tesla
S, the only one out when I bought my first FCEV, I could buy at least two
FCEVs, taking into account factory and other
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Enough with the hydrogen, Peter sums it up nicely.
On 8/23/2021 7:27 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
I thought it was obvious I was comparing BEV vs FCEV. Apparently not.
Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to build,
An FCEV is an EV with a fuel cell, so most of the
Yes, it is enteresting that nobody (including you) has posted a single
advantage that FCEVs currently have over BEVs.
Rather telling wouldn't you say?
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August 19, 2021 11:22 AM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" wrote:
> I guess no one sees *any*
Drivel mostly.
She compares energy density, but completely ignores the weight of H2 tanks,
fuel cells, batteries, etc. on the FCEV. Once you add those in the differences
are negligible.
She lists the speed advantage of refueling, but glosses over the fact that if
you not close to one of the
I thought it was obvious I was comparing BEV vs FCEV. Apparently not.
> Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to build,
An FCEV is an EV with a fuel cell, so most of the extra BEV costs are still
there (still needs an electric motor/controller/batteries/etc)
You say a
Yeah, and that was the folks with "high efficiency" EVs (or ones carrying over
1/2 ton), my pickup only got ~35-40 miles on 1/2 ton of lead.
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>> He was down to 50 miles remaining and beginning to
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On 23 Aug 2021 at 8:46, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> I wouldnTMt expect that Toyota had that kind of editorial influence, nor
> would exercise it if they could.
They don't need to.
The once-solid firewalls between the management and fiscal people and the
newsrooms are crumbling even in
Willie,
I actually didn’t see the “EVDL Administrator” questions. I don’t see his stuff
- they go automatically in the bit bucket.
As far as the main question you and Peter posted, I’ve posted that I prefer to
sit back and see what others come up with.
I’m pretty sure I’ve already posted my
iming that it should
>> be a consideration when making buying decisions. But, since we are
>> grasping for straws, it is SOMETHING.
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On 8/23/21 6:09 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Mark, I'd still like to read YOUR responses to the questions posted here,
especially to my own questions.
Ditto. Though I have posted no specific questions. But the primary
question seems to remain unanswered: "Why might a car buyer select
Mark, I'd still like to read YOUR responses to the questions posted here,
especially to my own questions.
That said, thanks for posting that video clip.
I wasn't too impressed with the production itself - all those annoying jump
cuts! I don't undertand why producers will put significant
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