Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-25 Thread George Tyler via EV
I had a look at the headway factory interconnects, they are plated steel I think as they are magnetic, could be nickel but they were strongly attracted to a magnet so I think steel. 1mm thick, 20mm wide. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-25 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Nickel is ferromagnetic also. (Hence, Alnico magnets, the Ni being nickel.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) Nickel is right there with carbon steel in magnetic permeability, but it is much less susceptible to corrosion. Stamped steel with a nickel plate might be a

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-25 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Nelson via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:38 PM To: Michael Ross; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I asked Jim of Headway-Headquarters what the end plates were and he said that they are nickel plated steel. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-25 Thread Michael Ross via EV
] On Behalf Of David Nelson via EV Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:38 PM To: Michael Ross; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I asked Jim of Headway-Headquarters what the end plates were and he said that they are nickel plated steel

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-24 Thread via EV
...@tylernz.com, Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? George Tyler via EV wrote: Why not just buy the link plates that headway sell, made for the purpose. Get the cell mounts at the same time? Are these just a flat bar that bolts

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-23 Thread George Tyler via EV
Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? If there is a platting house nearby, they won't charge much for a basket of copper bits. Could be far less trouble than manual tinning. Nickel might be better choice in that case. Of a flash of nickel under the tin. I would

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-23 Thread Lee Hart via EV
George Tyler via EV wrote: Why not just buy the link plates that headway sell, made for the purpose. Get the cell mounts at the same time? Are these just a flat bar that bolts directly between cells. If so, that's not a good way to do it. The cells will move slightly due to road bumps and

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Ross via EV
: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I think you're fighting a losing battle. Different alloys have an influence, but not enough to overcome the fact that copper has roughly twice the conductivity (both electrical and thermal) of aluminum. You'll need twice the cross-sectional area in aluminum

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-22 Thread Roland via EV
: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? via EV wrote: I might well be fighting a losing battle, but for the price of 4 holes in a strip of material it has been a great education. Tonight I tested the different alloys of Al idea. Last

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Sep 2014 at 7:55, Roland via EV wrote: You can get the plated copper bus bars in long lengths and cut them to size. You will note that the cut ends will show copper. In wet locations, coat these cut ends with silver paint or epoxy silver paint. Why not tin them with solder? I would

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-22 Thread Michael Ross via EV
If there is a platting house nearby, they won't charge much for a basket of copper bits. Could be far less trouble than manual tinning. Nickel might be better choice in that case. Of a flash of nickel under the tin. I would do tin/lead dip if I was not concerned about ROHS and had a plater

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-21 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
I think you're fighting a losing battle. Different alloys have an influence, but not enough to overcome the fact that copper has roughly twice the conductivity (both electrical and thermal) of aluminum. You'll need twice the cross-sectional area in aluminum as you would need with copper to

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-21 Thread via EV
is the big difference. Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM From: Chris Tromley ctrom...@gmail.com To: evdragra...@email.com, Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? I think you're fighting a losing battle.  Different alloys have

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-21 Thread Lee Hart via EV
via EV wrote: I might well be fighting a losing battle, but for the price of 4 holes in a strip of material it has been a great education. Tonight I tested the different alloys of Al idea. Last time, 0.02 x 1.75 in strip of roof flashing aluminum: ~120 F temperature rise in ~15 seconds, cross

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread via EV
argh, stupid mailer keeps defaulting to html. Anyway, here's the post again: This guy on endless-sphere cut one apart and says there is aluminum below the steel screw part:   http://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14t=8109hilit=BMI+inside So my basic question is if the cell is

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread Lee Hart via EV
via EV wrote: So my basic question is if the cell is already Al to Steel internally, might it be better to go Al to Steel to Al (that last Al being my intercell connectors) than to do Al to Steel to Cu (which would be copper intercell connectors)? What little I know about metallurgy tells me

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Why do we think the cap is steel? Nickel is a better choice if you don't look at cost. Or a bonded bimetal. There are probably ways to do a good job of this. I have cooking pots that are aluminum bonded to stainless steel. Like wise copper to stainless. I have used silver bonded to brass

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread Peter Gabrielsson via EV
Wow, I can't believe they actually used steel in those connections. I had heard about it but presumed people were confusing nickel-plating with steel. Nope, that is steel with rust an everything. Stay away! On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? Why do we think the cap is steel? Nickel is a better choice if you don't look at cost. Or a bonded bimetal. There are probably ways to do a good job of this. I have cooking pots that are aluminum bonded to stainless steel. Like wise copper

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
September 2014 at 18:51:18 From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net,Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? Why do we think the cap is steel? Nickel is a better choice if you don't look at cost

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-18 Thread via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-18 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-18 Thread Michael Ross via EV
​​ This guy on endless_sphere cut one apart and says there is aluminum below the steel screw part: ​​ Nothing unusual about this - the electrodes are often Cu, and Al.all the leaves of Al electrodes have to be gather together and clamped somehow.RGw out side of the cell is a plated stamped metal.

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-17 Thread George Tyler via EV
Are you sure the ends are aluminium? Without the screw terminals they are connected by nickel strips spot welded to the ends, not sure you can spot weld nickel to aluminium. I think they are plated steel. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of via EV

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-17 Thread Michael Ross via EV
How about a photo or spec sheet to look at? You say Headway, do they only make on sized and form of cell? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm building up some headway packs. My understanding is they have aluminum end caps in the bare state, but when you

Re: [EVDL] Dissimilar metals on Headyways?

2014-09-17 Thread George Tyler via EV
] Dissimilar metals on Headyways? How about a photo or spec sheet to look at? You say Headway, do they only make on sized and form of cell? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:34 PM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm building up some headway packs. My understanding is they have aluminum end caps