Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi David,
Apparently we have different views ;-)

Just some things to consider:
We do not know what was said in the phone conversation.
We know that this person has a history of being rude and negative
It might be that Elon is simply standing up to the people who think they
can be as rude as they want because they have money,
draws a line in the sand and indicates that he does not need to become a
whore for money - if you don't like the product then please go away.
This does not happen very often - I would say it happens too little -
but occasionally there is a report of a store where a rude customer is
telling off their staff and/or other customers and the manager takes the
smart decision to give everyone a break and show that there is a limit
to what is accepted by simply saying: "Please leave this store and never
come back".

This sends a clear signal that not all rude customer behavior will be
rewarded by groveling from the seller side, there is a line where it
stops.

Personally, if I see that a seller has some class and avoids rewarding
bad behavior from rude/bullying people then I am more likely to buy
their product and more sympathetic to them. 

I think we have clarified enough on this subject now - I see that you
*do* agree that we can leave it at this, unless there is more info
coming from the phone call between Elon and the rude customer.

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Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a
Tesla

On 5 Feb 2016 at 10:38, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> I consider this a brilliant move from Elon.

Sorry, I stand my ground. Musk's response was far from brilliant, it was

just plain childish.  A person of maturity and character would have
stood 
tall, maintained his dignity, better yet used a little wry humor.
Instead, 
Musk stooped to the other guy's level.  

>From all indications, the blogger wasn't wrong about the poorly
implemented 
presentation.  Musk should have acknowledged that fact and apologized to
him 
- and, just as importantly, to others at the event who were
inconvenienced.  
If he did that, please show me where it was reported; I didn't see it.

Treated properly, this story most likely would have been reported as a
PR 
flub, and then would have been lost in the media noise from the
presidential 
primary clown act.  Musk's behavior absolutely guaranteed ample negative

media coverage.

Tesla and Tesla drivers are already developing a "poor little rich boy" 
image among the general public, and even among "lesser" EV owners.  This
is 
not going to help his cause, or that of EVs in general.

That's my final word on it.

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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[Peri Hartman via EV]

The trick is to find one that automatically turns on when the power goes 
out.  Anyway, this is getting OT.

Peri

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & 
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On Fri Feb 05 12:40:16 PST 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said:

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Flashlights are a perfect "Draino" product. Ten cents worth of 
materials

that sells for ten dollars. Sold on advertising claims and appearance.
But then it isn't used, and goes in the cupboard "just in case". If it
is needed, it doesn't work. So you throw it away and buy another one.
Pouring money down the drain...


Which is why I now just keep a DeWalt 18v Flourescent Work light in 
each building, with a spare battery and charger for each.

(yeah, expensive, but they WORK, and give a lot of light.)


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Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

[Roger Stockton via EV]

Peri Hartman wrote:

> I don't think the desire for crash safety will go away.  Just because
> the odds decrease doesn't mean one doesn't want protection.  I can go
> on, but I think everyone knows what I mean.

In a word: "Titanic". ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.

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Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Lawrence,

I took another, close look at the article.  It is a very impressive 
project and shows that it is possible to build a long range solar 
vehicle.  Not only that, it appears the group worked hard to build a 
vehicle that one could imagine morphing into a production vehicle.


That said, I didn't see anything in the article (could be mentioned 
elsewhere) that it p[assed Dutch safety standards.  It does say "fully 
road worthy in The Netherlands" but I doubt that's the same thing as 
passing safety standards.  It certainly isn't in the US, where each 
model must go through destructive crash tests to get a rating.


I also believe there's a big market demand difference from building what 
is essentially a 4 person sports car and a 4 person sedan.  In the 
Stella Lux, the bottom part of the doors appear to be thick, but the 
thin - window - part might still be in the bumper height range of an SUV 
or truck.  Also the design is very prone to damage during parking and 
other tight manipulations.  The back corners of the PV roof look very 
easy to get hit.


Still, I will be excited to see what the next iteration will produce.  
They're on to something good.


Peri

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To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" 
Sent: 31-Jan-16 11:00:54 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

Please look at the thickness of the doors, the specifications & that 
the car passed Dutch safety standards.  This is a real vehicle which 
though coming in second to the Japanese they won on points for comfort 
& space inside their vehicle.  If you look across the back seats you 
will see a roll cage and a strong carbon fiber bulkhead.  Lawrence 
Rhodes URL below



http://sinovoltaics.com/technology/stella-lux-winner-of-world-solar-challenge-visits-shanghai/


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From: Peri Hartman 
To: Lawrence Rhodes ; "ev@lists.evdl.org" 
; "ev@lists.evdl.org" 

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:14 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

My statement and questions were more general.  I was curious about
actually being able to build any 4 passenger (even 2 passenger) EV at
1000 pounds, not particularly a solar one.  As David pointed out, to
make a legally marketable EV it has to meet a lot of safety 
requirements
and have at least some creature comforts, too.  That provides, indeed, 
a

challenge to build something so light.

Peri


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Sent: 31-Jan-16 1:30:57 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.


  Peri.  You didn't read the article.   Stella Lux used off the shelf
specially encapsulated cells from Sunpower.  Many of the components 
are

off the shelf.  Since the vehicle has a small pack it is much cheaper
to build. Much quicker to charge and it only takes 10 hours to charge
on solar.  95% of the time a car is sitting.  With solar panels it can
sit in the sun. The weight of the solar panels is negligible.  Lots of
great things happen when you get light.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[Michael Ross via EV]

Those little coin cells are what has driven much improvement in Li ion tech
as they are used in medical devices like implants.  Medtronic pretty much
funded the first big effort made at Dalhousie to improve testing and
development of Li ion cells.

I wonder if those good, small cells are marketed retail? They are proably
the best you can get of any kind.  20+ year life was the development goal.
Doesn't change your crank lights battery charging process, but those at
least are single cells which are far simpler to manage than a pack.  A
simple charge cut off is very effective with a single cell.  You ought to
be able to discharge a single cell to zero with bad no effect.

I haven't looked in a hoverboard yet, but they are small enough that
quality matched cells ought to be available which would reduce pack self
distruction (sometimes called self discharge).

Those small, good coin cells won't self discharge unless damaged (certainly
the hoverboards don't have coin cells in them).

It is a neat thing about low power, miniature electronics - they can run
from the voltage of a single cell.

This is proving to be a stream of consiousness process so I will stop now.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:32 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
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> On 5 Feb 2016 at 15:17, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> > I was considering buying an emergency flashlight that stays plugged in
> > all the time ... I decided not to - until the Chinese develop a better
> > reputation for putting a BMS in their lithium ion products.
>
> For a cheap gadget like that (or even a small low-range EV) a safer and
> more
> economical battery, though you'd have to mind disposal, would be NiCd.  You
> can charge NiCd at a low rate pretty much forever.
>
> I suppose you could also use NiMH, but I don't think they withstand that
> kind of charging as well.
>
> Some years ago I bought some cheap made-in-Taiwan crank-dynamo flashlights
> from the dollar store.  I gave away a few as gifts, and kept a couple.
>
> I didn't notice until I got them home that the blister card boasted that
> they had lithium batteries.  I'm sure they had no BMS whatsoever.  They
> started obviously losing capacity within weeks, and within a year or two
> they were storing no energy at all.  They'd light up only if I kept
> cranking
> them.
>
> At least they didn't catch fire.  I doubt that I could put that much energy
> into them by cranking, though.
>
> I still have them on a shelf in the basement.  Maybe one day I'll bust them
> open and see if I can fit NiCd cells into them.
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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

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On 5 Feb 2016 at 15:17, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> I was considering buying an emergency flashlight that stays plugged in
> all the time ... I decided not to - until the Chinese develop a better
> reputation for putting a BMS in their lithium ion products. 

For a cheap gadget like that (or even a small low-range EV) a safer and more 
economical battery, though you'd have to mind disposal, would be NiCd.  You 
can charge NiCd at a low rate pretty much forever.  

I suppose you could also use NiMH, but I don't think they withstand that 
kind of charging as well.

Some years ago I bought some cheap made-in-Taiwan crank-dynamo flashlights 
from the dollar store.  I gave away a few as gifts, and kept a couple.  

I didn't notice until I got them home that the blister card boasted that 
they had lithium batteries.  I'm sure they had no BMS whatsoever.  They 
started obviously losing capacity within weeks, and within a year or two 
they were storing no energy at all.  They'd light up only if I kept cranking 
them.

At least they didn't catch fire.  I doubt that I could put that much energy 
into them by cranking, though.

I still have them on a shelf in the basement.  Maybe one day I'll bust them 
open and see if I can fit NiCd cells into them.

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Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations.

[Lee Hart via EV]

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

Lawrence, you get amazing range. I wish I could get range like that.
Although I have to admit it's rare that I take it further than about 10
miles on the freeway. The majority is on hilly, stop & go city streets
where I get closer to 2.5 to 3.5 miles / kwh. Out of curiosity, what
metrics do you get in stop & go?


I have a 2013 Leaf, and routinely get 4-5 miles/kwh on the dashboard 
'guess gauge'. In the summer, it's been as high as 5.2 miles/kwh for a 
charge cycle (40-50 miles total before recharging). In winter, it drops 
to around 4 miles/kwh. I normally charge on 120vac, and only to 80%.


But, we live in a small town (Sartell MN). There are no expressways, 
mountains or even significant hills, so this is all low speed driving. 
I've been driving EVs for years, and so instinctively "feather-foot" it. 
No hard acceleration, drive at or below the posted speed limit, coast 
rather than brake, etc. (No, I'm not giving EVs a bad name by driving 
this way, because in a small town there isn't anyone behind me).


We've never pushed it to the limits of its range. The worst "stress 
test" was once when my son drove it to work (40 miles round trip), and 
got low battery warnings coming back home. But, he didn't charge it to 
100% before leaving, took the expressway to the next town (probably at 
10mph over the limit), and it was -10 deg.F so he ran the heater full 
blast. He didn't look at the state of charge before charging.


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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[Lee Hart via EV]

EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:

I'm probably swimming against the current here, but I don't think this
reflects well on Tesla.

The blogger wasn't very polite, but these days everybody's a critic.  You
expect that in business.  IMO, the best response to a post like that is to
say "Thanks for your comments; guess we can't please everybody," and move
on.

To me, what Musk did suggests poor impulse control.


I'm with EVDL Admin David on this. You have to expect rude obnoxious 
customers on occasion. There are always a few spoiled rich kids, out of 
control celebrities, and just plain jerks out there.


But I expect professional behavior from companies, and good manners from 
its individuals. As CEO, Musk sets the tone. His employees are likely to 
follow his lead, so he should set a good example.


No matter what you may think of a customer personally, he should be 
treated equally, fairly, and with respect; just like everyone else. 
Otherwise, you are only stooping to his level. It reflects badly on *you*.


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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Businessmen will not agree with you. Every business deal is a balance between 
cost and profit. Usually it is only the price and placement that determines 
which customers will buy. If a particular deal is suspected to have a large 
risk of increased cost, such as a financially unstable client or difficult 
shipping/import or excessive customer support required, then a business deal 
might make no sense and usually this results in a no-bid or a "go away you're 
bothering me" price quote. Elon might have felt insulted but he is enough of a 
businessman that he recognizes a bad deal and the blogger is now beating 
himself that he was such a BLIEP and continue to feel stoopid in his BMW while 
everyone has a field day and understand that owning a Testa may require some 
class, it is not for rude losers. I consider this a brilliant move from Elon. 
No wonder they do not need a marketing dept. 

> On Feb 5, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>> I'm probably swimming against the current here, but I don't think this
>> reflects well on Tesla.
>> 
>> The blogger wasn't very polite, but these days everybody's a critic.  You
>> expect that in business.  IMO, the best response to a post like that is to
>> say "Thanks for your comments; guess we can't please everybody," and move
>> on.
>> 
>> To me, what Musk did suggests poor impulse control.
> 
> I'm with EVDL Admin David on this. You have to expect rude obnoxious 
> customers on occasion. There are always a few spoiled rich kids, out of 
> control celebrities, and just plain jerks out there.
> 
> But I expect professional behavior from companies, and good manners from its 
> individuals. As CEO, Musk sets the tone. His employees are likely to follow 
> his lead, so he should set a good example.
> 
> No matter what you may think of a customer personally, he should be treated 
> equally, fairly, and with respect; just like everyone else. Otherwise, you 
> are only stooping to his level. It reflects badly on *you*.
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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[dovepa via EV]

Yes but we are talking about a company that can't make them fast enough for the 
demand.
There are others that are glad to get his spot in line.


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EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
> I'm probably swimming against the current here, but I don't think this
> reflects well on Tesla.
>
> The blogger wasn't very polite, but these days everybody's a critic.  You
> expect that in business.  IMO, the best response to a post like that is to
> say "Thanks for your comments; guess we can't please everybody," and move
> on.
>
> To me, what Musk did suggests poor impulse control.

I'm with EVDL Admin David on this. You have to expect rude obnoxious 
customers on occasion. There are always a few spoiled rich kids, out of 
control celebrities, and just plain jerks out there.

But I expect professional behavior from companies, and good manners from 
its individuals. As CEO, Musk sets the tone. His employees are likely to 
follow his lead, so he should set a good example.

No matter what you may think of a customer personally, he should be 
treated equally, fairly, and with respect; just like everyone else. 
Otherwise, you are only stooping to his level. It reflects badly on *you*.

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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[Lee Hart via EV]

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

I was considering buying an emergency flashlight that stays plugged in
all the time, automatically turns on when the power goes off (like a
commercial emergency light) but can be grabbed and used as a flashlight.
Made in China. From stories like these I decided not to - until the
Chinese develop a better reputation for putting a BMS in their lithium
ion products.


I have exactly such a light. It's at least 20 years old, and still works 
today. It was made by Coleman. It's solidly built, works fine, and is 
repairable (the bulb has been replaced once, and the batteries probably 
3-4 times).


It uses a #PR2 flashlight bulb, and two AA nicad batteries. The night 
light is a small blue-green fluorescent panel. Originally, the batteries 
only lasted a year or two -- it has the usual el-junko charger that 
mindlessly charges the batteries to death. I added a diode in series to 
drop the charging voltage a bit; then they last 5 years or more.


But it's the exception. I can't count the number of other flashlights 
I've had over the years. No matter how nice they look, they all seem to 
be throw-away junk; worthless after a few years.


Flashlights are a perfect "Draino" product. Ten cents worth of materials 
that sells for ten dollars. Sold on advertising claims and appearance. 
But then it isn't used, and goes in the cupboard "just in case". If it 
is needed, it doesn't work. So you throw it away and buy another one. 
Pouring money down the drain...


Manufacturers love this kind of product. Foreign manufacturers 
particularly love them, because they *know* that no matter how bad it 
is, they can't be sued and never have to give anybody their money back. 
This encourages them to sell all sorts of dangerous products.


The situation won't improve until people wise up and stop rewarding the 
junk manufacturers with sales!


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Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

[Larry Gales via EV]

In the fairly near future I wonder if crash worthiness will be that
important.  Self driving cars (or ones that are close to self driving) will
mainly be achieved through sensors and electronics, neither of which should
add much mass to the car. So you achieve safety, not through armor, but
through avoiding accidents.

Of course that requires that nearly all cars be self driving

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Please look at the thickness of the doors, the specifications & that the
> car passed Dutch safety standards.  This is a real vehicle which though
> coming in second to the Japanese they won on points for comfort & space
> inside their vehicle.  If you look across the back seats you will see a
> roll cage and a strong carbon fiber bulkhead.  Lawrence Rhodes URL below
>
>
>
> http://sinovoltaics.com/technology/stella-lux-winner-of-world-solar-challenge-visits-shanghai/
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>
> To: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net>; "ev@lists.evdl.org" <
> ev@lists.evdl.org>; "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:14 AM
> Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.
>
> My statement and questions were more general.  I was curious about
> actually being able to build any 4 passenger (even 2 passenger) EV at
> 1000 pounds, not particularly a solar one.  As David pointed out, to
> make a legally marketable EV it has to meet a lot of safety requirements
> and have at least some creature comforts, too.  That provides, indeed, a
> challenge to build something so light.
>
> Peri
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "ev@lists.evdl.org"
> <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Sent: 31-Jan-16 1:30:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.
>
> >  Peri.  You didn't read the article.   Stella Lux used off the shelf
> >specially encapsulated cells from Sunpower.  Many of the components are
> >off the shelf.  Since the vehicle has a small pack it is much cheaper
> >to build. Much quicker to charge and it only takes 10 hours to charge
> >on solar.  95% of the time a car is sitting.  With solar panels it can
> >sit in the sun. The weight of the solar panels is negligible.  Lots of
> >great things happen when you get light.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

[Peri Hartman via EV]

I don't think the desire for crash safety will go away.  Just because 
the odds decrease doesn't mean one doesn't want protection.  I can go 
on, but I think everyone knows what I mean.


Peri

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To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <primobass...@sbcglobal.net>; "Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>

Sent: 05-Feb-16 1:49:00 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.


In the fairly near future I wonder if crash worthiness will be that
important.  Self driving cars (or ones that are close to self driving) 
will
mainly be achieved through sensors and electronics, neither of which 
should

add much mass to the car. So you achieve safety, not through armor, but
through avoiding accidents.

Of course that requires that nearly all cars be self driving

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org>

wrote:

 Please look at the thickness of the doors, the specifications & that 
the
 car passed Dutch safety standards.  This is a real vehicle which 
though
 coming in second to the Japanese they won on points for comfort & 
space
 inside their vehicle.  If you look across the back seats you will see 
a
 roll cage and a strong carbon fiber bulkhead.  Lawrence Rhodes URL 
below




 
http://sinovoltaics.com/technology/stella-lux-winner-of-world-solar-challenge-visits-shanghai/



 - Original Message -
 From: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>
 To: Lawrence Rhodes <primobass...@sbcglobal.net>; "ev@lists.evdl.org" 
<

 ev@lists.evdl.org>; "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:14 AM
 Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

 My statement and questions were more general.  I was curious about
 actually being able to build any 4 passenger (even 2 passenger) EV at
 1000 pounds, not particularly a solar one.  As David pointed out, to
 make a legally marketable EV it has to meet a lot of safety 
requirements
 and have at least some creature comforts, too.  That provides, 
indeed, a

 challenge to build something so light.

 Peri


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 From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
 To: "ev@lists.evdl.org" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "ev@lists.evdl.org"
 <ev@lists.evdl.org>
 Sent: 31-Jan-16 1:30:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

 >  Peri.  You didn't read the article.   Stella Lux used off the 
shelf
 >specially encapsulated cells from Sunpower.  Many of the components 
are
 >off the shelf.  Since the vehicle has a small pack it is much 
cheaper
 >to build. Much quicker to charge and it only takes 10 hours to 
charge
 >on solar.  95% of the time a car is sitting.  With solar panels it 
can
 >sit in the sun. The weight of the solar panels is negligible.  Lots 
of

 >great things happen when you get light.  Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so SPACEX won't be providing the return trip...

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

Yeah, find another way back from Mars...



   
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[EVDL] PFC-30

[via EV]

Do you have any pictures? Does this have digipot upgrade? Amp meter?
The last  pfc-30 I saw sell on DIYelectriccar.com went for $1300, how does that 
price suit you?
Much thanks,
Rick


Hi All,
I have a PFC-30 for sale. I've been trying to list it on EV Trading Post,
but
Arron hasn't put up the ad.

So -

Bought in 2005/6? Don't rem exactly what I paid for it, and don't have the
invoice, but I'm sure Rich has a copy somewhere, I think it was about $2900,
plus or minus. Cost for the unit is now $2,900 and that is with a meter, so
make
an offer accordingly.
Capable of 30 amps in & 40 amps out.
Comes fully assembled and tested with isolated reg bus interface.
Buck Enhancement
Still in orig shipping box.

Make a reasonable offer and I'm sure it won't be refused.

Thanks

Rush Dougherty
Tucson AZ 85719




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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[Jorg Brown via EV]

Stewart Alsop is not just any customer.  You'd be better off thinking of
him as a reporter.  It's not a perfect analogy by any means, but think of
it as: Elon Musk is to Stewart Alsop as Donald Trump is to Megyn Kelly.  As
a business person, would you want to piss off Megyn Kelly or Brian Williams
or Ted Koppel?  That's just stupid.  https://medium.com/@salsop has 2900
followers, and https://twitter.com/salsop has 13,400 followers.  Why would
you take a bad experience and magnify it that much?

I've seen Tesla go way out of their way to turn bad customers into good
ones.  I know someone who was so pissed off at Tesla that she was calling
attorneys, simultaneously investigating the California lemon law and a
class-action lawsuit.  But the Sunnyvale Tesla service center turned her
around.  I mean, wow.  (Aside: Tesla customer service really is
exceptional.)  Elon should have apologized for being late, thanked Stewart
for his time in attendance, and promised that in the future the food would
be better and there would be more cars to look at, if not to drive.  I
don't know why he didn't do that in this case.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Elon might have felt insulted but he is enough of a businessman that he
> recognizes a bad deal and the blogger is now beating himself that he was
> such a BLIEP and continue to feel stoopid in his BMW while everyone has a
> field day and understand that owning a Testa may require some class, it is
> not for rude losers. I consider this a brilliant move from Elon. No wonder
> they do not need a marketing dept.
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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 5 Feb 2016 at 10:38, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

> I consider this a brilliant move from Elon.

Sorry, I stand my ground. Musk's response was far from brilliant, it was 
just plain childish.  A person of maturity and character would have stood 
tall, maintained his dignity, better yet used a little wry humor.  Instead, 
Musk stooped to the other guy's level.  

>From all indications, the blogger wasn't wrong about the poorly implemented 
presentation.  Musk should have acknowledged that fact and apologized to him 
- and, just as importantly, to others at the event who were inconvenienced.  
If he did that, please show me where it was reported; I didn't see it.

Treated properly, this story most likely would have been reported as a PR 
flub, and then would have been lost in the media noise from the presidential 
primary clown act.  Musk's behavior absolutely guaranteed ample negative 
media coverage.

Tesla and Tesla drivers are already developing a "poor little rich boy" 
image among the general public, and even among "lesser" EV owners.  This is 
not going to help his cause, or that of EVs in general.

That's my final word on it.

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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Fri Feb 05 12:40:16 PST 2016 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>Flashlights are a perfect "Draino" product. Ten cents worth of materials
>that sells for ten dollars. Sold on advertising claims and appearance.
>But then it isn't used, and goes in the cupboard "just in case". If it
>is needed, it doesn't work. So you throw it away and buy another one.
>Pouring money down the drain...

Which is why I now just keep a DeWalt 18v Flourescent Work light in each 
building, with a spare battery and charger for each.
(yeah, expensive, but they WORK, and give a lot of light.)


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[EVDL] 17-year-old Jaden Smith poses with his Tesla-X EV

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3428690/Jaden-Smith-shows-rare-Tesla-Model-X-flashes-nail-polish-Los-Angeles.html
Front of the queue! Jaden Smith shows off his rare Tesla Model X and gets a
kiss from girlfriend Sarah Snyder
3 February 2016  CAITLIN O'TOOLE AND KATE THOMAS

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(Tesla-X & Jaden Smith)  Check out that model: Jaden Smith showed off his
fresh from the factory Tesla Model X in Calabasas, California, on Monday

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Rock on indeed: The car is still very rare, so the 17-year-old had good
reason to show off a little
]

Jaden Smith has been showing off his latest accessory, a new Tesla Model X
SUV. 

The actor appears to be one of the first to get the rare electric SUVs,
which some buyers have been waiting years for after putting down large
deposits.

The 17-year-old seemed to be enjoying his sleek new ride while out and about
in Los Angeles on Monday ...

The Tesla Model X, from the Elon Musk-run electric car company, has been
delayed for years due to engineering and manufacturing issues. Some buyers
who put down a deposit years ago are still waiting.

Jaden struck a pose in front of the dark silver vehicle after he pulled into
a supermarket parking lot with a friend.

The Tesla Model X has falcon-wing doors and is priced at $80,000. It is
fully electric and can go from zero to 60mph in just over 3 seconds ...
[© dailymail.co.uk]
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Jaden Smith Takes Delivery Of Tesla Model X
2016/02/03
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http://www.teenvogue.com/story/jaden-smith-tesla-electric-car
Jaden Smith's Brand-New Electric Car Is So Fancy It's Not Even Available Yet
FEB 3, 2016  No hand-me-down station wagon for him.
...
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[EVDL] EVLN: UK Leaf EV Cabbie save$ & customers love riding Electric

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://nissaninsider.co.uk/cabbie-is-first-in-town-to-go-electric-and-urges-more-to-do-the-same/
Cabbie goes electric – and urges others to follow
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A TAXI driver has become the first in Bromsgrove to switch to electric
motoring to transport his passengers around town.

Manos Passaris, from Gold ‘n’ Black taxi company, made the switch to an
all-electric Nissan LEAF to dramatically reduce his outgoings as well as
doing his bit for the environment.

He was spending £600 every month on diesel but his fuel bill has now
substantially reduced after taking delivery of the LEAF – which costs an
average of just 2p a mile to run – from Arbury Nissan in Buntsford Drive.

Mr Passaris has solar panels on his roof so charging the LEAF at home
overnight is even cheaper.

When he needs to re-charge during the day he simply takes a lunch break and
uses one of the many local charging facilities, including the free rapid
charger at Arbury Nissan.

He said: “I have always been fascinated by electric cars since I was young
so jumped at the chance to buy a LEAF. It makes so much sense – it is saving
me a fortune.

“I was spending hundreds of pounds a month on fuel with my old car, but now
it’s costing me about £2 for every 100 miles I drive. The savings are
phenomenal.

“I also believe we should be doing more to protect out environment. The LEAF
doesn’t emit any fumes so is doing its part in improving the air quality in
Bromsgrove.”

The rise in electric taxis has grown rapidly since the Nissan LEAF – the
world’s best-selling electric vehicle – and Nissan’s all-electric van,
e-NV200, first came onto the market.

Figures reveal that, nationally, Nissan electric taxis have now passed three
million miles.

Mr Passaris said: “My customers love the LEAF. Some people aren’t aware what
an electric car can do, so they are pleasantly surprised when I pick them
up. I would like to see more people installing solar panels in their homes
and more taxi drivers going electric. It just makes sense.”

Laura O’Neill, Sales Manager at Arbury Nissan, said: “Mr Passaris has seen
just how the all-electric Nissan LEAF can fit in with his lifestyle and
work.”
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[EVDL] EVLN: Top 10 Things I Love About My EV

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'Two years later> there is no turning back'

http://breakingenergy.com/2016/02/01/10-things-i-love-about-my-electric-vehicle-2/
10 Things I Love About My Electric Vehicle
February 01, 2016  Erik Nelsen

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German Summit On Electric Mobility
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The stars aligned for me a couple years back.  My employer opened a new
employee parking garage equipped with 36 plug-in electric vehicle (EV)
charging stations, and I was ready to park my pickup for a more
fuel-efficient daily commuter. I’d still need the truck to pull our trailer
and take trips to the home improvement store, but the $250/month fuel bill
just wasn’t practical.  In fact, my goal was to get a car payment below that
amount and charge primarily at work. So while it seemed like a big jump, our
family chose an all-electric vehicle.

Two years later, I can definitely say there’s no turning back! It was a
great decision, and here are my top 10 reasons why I love my electric car:

1  Pure economics. While I usually use workplace charging, when I do plug in
at home, the electricity costs the equivalent of $1.22/gallon, less than
half of even today’s very lowgasoline prices. My EV is also rated at just
over 100 mpge (mpg equivalent). Either way you look at it, the savings are
clear.

2  It drives like any other car. I honestly expected my EV to ride and
handle like a clunky electric golf cart. Not only does it drive like any
other car of its size, it’s quite peppy! The nearly silent operation does
take some getting used to, though.

3  It fit our lifestyle. Until I really thought about it, I was worried that
an EV wouldn’t suit all my needs—especially those occasional long trips
beyond the battery’s range. The fact is that most household trips are within
a 25-mile radius, and that applies to both my wife and me. We do have a
second car, but the EV easily covers 9 out of 10 trips we need to
make—including most of those to the home improvement store!

4  Charging at work. This fantastic benefit doubles the potential
all-electric commute range for employees who would otherwise have to rely on
charging at home.  Now it’s also easy tolocate and use public stations [
http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/
] if they don’t have access to a charger at home.

5  No charger installation. Because I can charge the vehicle at work, I
rarely have to charge at home.  When I do, the dealer-supplied 110-volt cord
set is adequate for an overnight charge.

6  Charging at work for free. This is a nice perk, but with low electricity
prices and the extreme efficiency of the vehicle, it’s just icing on the
cake.

7  Charging at work with solar energy. Did I mention that the garage and
chargers are solar powered? Sure, we can have a long discussion about
life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions and how the American electric grid still
relies on fossil fuels, but the fact is that my car is primarily powered by
sunlight!

8  An affordable lease. I was interested in a low-risk lease because (1) I
was a little unsure how long the battery would last before needing
replacement, (2) I wanted to keep my options open as more EV models became
available in my area over time, and (3) I still wasn’t sure I wanted to make
a long-term commitment to something so new and different.  In fact, I found
that I could actually pay for the lease on my EV with the amount of money I
was previously spending just on fuel to drive to and from work with my
pick-up.

9  My wife loves it, too! In addition to solar-powered workplace charging,
my company’s progressive sustainability practices allow me to telecommute
two days a week. On these days, my wife drives the EV to work.  So, not only
does the EV virtually eliminate my fuel bill, it cuts her fuel bill by about
40%.

10 Telling people about it. Most people don’t understand EVs, or they think
of them as a novelty. Once I share a few of the facts above, people usually
end up nodding in surprise. Gotta love that agreement!

I understand that an EV isn’t for everyone, but if you go through the
considerations, you may be surprised at just how well an EV would work for
your lifestyle!
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[EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://www.petaluma360.com/news/5167811-181/hoverboard-started-exploding-in-petaluma
Hoverboard ‘started exploding’ in Petaluma house fire
February 4, 2016  RIC GNECKOWARGUS

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(hoverboard fire damage)
]

After witnessing an eruption of sparks and flaming-hot battery fragments
ricochet across a corner of his Petaluma home and chasing down the ensuing
fires burning at multiple points of impact with a fire extinguisher, Jim
Beels became an unsuspecting character last week in one the most confounding
consumer product dramas in recent memory — the periodic and seemingly random
combustion of the hottest holiday toy, the hoverboard.

The incident was one of more than 40 hoverboard-related fires documented in
the United States and the second within a week in Sonoma County alone, the
latest episode in the story of a gizmo whose balance-defying functionality
has largely become a footnote to concerns of overheating and explosion. A
Petaluma fire official said Beels was lucky to be home at the time, unlike
the earlier hoverboard fire in Santa Rosa in which a resident came home to
find his two dogs dead and up to a quarter-million dollars in damage.

Beels himself agreed that he was lucky, recounting the episode from the
scorched epicenter of ejecta in his home near Helen Putnam Regional Park.

“It was a great toy, until it started exploding,” he said.

Marketed under a number of brands and a wide range of prices, hoverboards
are something like a handle-less version of a Segway Personal Transporter.
Beels said he researched the available options before choosing what
firefighting officials would later identify as the Mini Smart Self-Balancing
2 wheel Electric Scooter with Led Light for his daughter, Lauren, as a
birthday gift in September. Purchased from Amazon before the company’s own
voluntary recall, the product quickly became a hit with the family.

“Believe me, I like to ride this thing probably more than my daughter,” he
said.

The device had been charging for around 20 minutes in her room when Beels,
who was down the hall arranging ski equipment while his 15-year-old son Josh
played video games nearby, heard a hissing noise he described as the
simultaneous opening of several soda cans.

Shortly after walking down the hall to investigate, Beels said he witnessed
the shower of sparks ejecting from his daughter’s open door, including one
large piece of flaming shrapnel that rebounded off the opposite wall to
ignite a stack of clothes below. Sensing the cause was electrical, Beels
called for his son Josh to flee the house as he ran through the barrage to
turn off the circuit breaker in the garage.

Re-entering the hallway armed with a fire extinguisher, Beels started
putting out the various small fires that were burning all around the carpet,
following the flames into his daughter’s bedroom as bits of burning debris
went whizzing past his head. It was there that he found the hoverboard,
which he doused with foam on his way to the burning bits on the opposite
side of the room.

Thinking the flames were done, Beels turned around to see the device
reignite, now putting the self-destructing toy between him and the door.
With another round of spray to the hoverboard and another chase of the
burning pieces it expelled, the fire was finally extinguished.

“The whole house was filled up with gross smoke,” he said.

Petaluma firefighters arrived shortly after, and helped Beels to clear the
smoke that had filled both floors of his home. Having developed so quickly,
the fire could well have intensified to the point of the earlier incident in
Santa Rosa, said Petaluma Fire Department Battalion Chief Mike Medeiros.

“If this gentleman wasn’t home, we would have had the same incident on our
hands,” he said.

Beels said investigators, including those from the Consumer Product Safety
Commission, have described the incident as a rare opportunity to observe the
initial scope of damage from a hoverboard malfunction.

“At CPSC, our investigators and engineers continue to work diligently to
find the root cause of the hoverboard fires that have occurred throughout
the country,” CPSC Chairman Elliot Kaye wrote in a statement on the
nationwide investigation.

Absent specific guidance from regulators, Medeiros recommended that owners
exercise extreme caution while charging the devices in particular.

“The biggest thing with these things is that they’re unknown. We don’t know
if it’s the expensive ones, the cheap ones, a certain brand,” he said.
“We’re recommending that, if you have one, when you’re charging it, that you
are present when it’s being charged.”

Beels said his family was done with hoverboards until they’ve been
thoroughly vetted, and hoped his 

[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla trailer full of batteries to boost range toyed & scrapped

[brucedp5 via EV]

'Short trips you're hauling around all that extra mass for no reason'
'Self-driving Nomadic Power battery trailers for EVs'

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/elon-musk-tesla-toyed-making-trailer-full-batteries-boost-model-s-range-1541292
Elon Musk: Tesla toyed with making trailer full of batteries to boost Model
S range
February 1, 2016  Alistair Charlton

[video
https://youtu.be/3kPwtv-OwaU
35-minute video of Musk's Q with Tesla staff in France
]

[image] Tesla boss Elon Musk "toyed with" making a trailer full of batteries
to increase Model S rangeReuters

Tesla once considered boosting the range of its electric cars by designing a
battery-filled trailer. Company owner and chief executive Elon Musk revealed
the scrapped plans on a visit to the company's French base on 31 January.

Speaking to staff at the Chambourcy facility, Musk also spoke about more
conservative ways on increasing the all-electric range of the Model S and
delivery schedules for the new Model X. The billionaire entrepreneur also
explained how the Model 3 will only be partly revealed at the end of March,
with the final design kept a secret until it goes on sale in 2017.

When asked if the Model S could be modified to have a range of 800km (500
miles), 265km more than what is currently possible, Musk said: "We've toyed
around with certain ideas, for example having a trailer with an auxiliary
battery pack, like a little camper trailer... something similar to that
might work."

Selling a trailer full of batteries to give huge range may be a practical
solution to range anxiety, but it was unlikely to ever be an attractive or
affordable one. Musk said range improvements are still possible, but there
is a balance to be struck between the need for increased range and the
burden of carrying heavy batteries around on shorter journeys.

[image] Tesla Model S recharging  Tesla looks to balance long range with low
weight in its all-electric carsReuters

Musk added: "The challenge is, as you have a bigger and bigger battery pack,
when you're not doing a long trip you're hauling around all that extra mass
for no reason; we're trying to find a happy medium. But I think, (in
relation to) naturally expanding the Model S battery pack size, once you
start getting up above 500km, do you need more than that? It's probably
unlikely. You can expect to see steady increases in battery capacity over
time."

With regard to the hotly anticipated Model 3, which will cost under £30,000
and go up against smaller cars like the BMW 3-Series and Audi A4, Musk was
keeping his cards close to his chest. "The first pictures of Model 3 will be
at the end of March. But I'm being a little coy here, we're not going to
show everything about Model 3 until a lot closer to production."

When asked for any details at all by a Tesla employee, Musk simply said:
"No." This suggests the late-March reveal could be little more than a teaser
image giving away the size and general proportions of the car, rather than a
full disclosure. By keeping quiet, Tesla buys itself time to improve the car
over the coming year before it goes on sale.
[© ibtimes.co.uk]



http://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2016/02/self-driving-nomadic-power-battery-trailers-are-the-new-gas-cans-for-teslas-and-evs/
Self-driving Nomadic Power battery trailers are the new gas cans for Teslas
and EVs?
February 4, 2016  ... Step 1: Nomads for hitching up – Hitching up a Nomad
mobile energy system at a station enables long-distance travelling for all
battery electric vehicles ...
http://www.autosphere.ca/fleetdigest/2016/02/05/tesla-range-extender/




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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

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Re: [EVDL] The reasons for a solar car.

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Re: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA SUV

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I have reviewed several Chinese-made Li-Ion battery packs and although
some are pretty good, the typical BMS that I see will not prevent from
over-charging a cell, they typically only have a "bypass resistor when
the cell is full" which is supposed to work well as long as most cells
are well-balanced, but if cells are out of balance the charger will push
much more current into the pack than the bypass can handle, so cell(s)
do get over-charged in such a situation.
Also I am not sure that there is a per-cell low voltage monitoring, I
think the output simply turns off when the *pack* gets too low, which
usually means that one or more cells are already "dead".
On top of that, some packs are assembled from reject cells. I once had
ordered several 10Ah 4-series packs and several of them were severely
out of balance, one of the packs even had a cell at 0V.
I have been able by careful and slow charging to resuscitate that cell
and am still using the pack in a low current application (vehicle light)
but I can see from the balancing that I have to do that this cell is
permanently having a much higher self-discharge than the other cells in
the same pack.
Now, try to fast-charge such a pack with the simple BMS that does a low
current bypass and you can see where that leads

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Subject: [EVDL] Exploding hoverboard fires: Petaluma-CA house & Erie-PA
SUV



http://www.petaluma360.com/news/5167811-181/hoverboard-started-exploding
-in-petaluma
Hoverboard 'started exploding' in Petaluma house fire
February 4, 2016  RIC GNECKOWARGUS

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erver.cls?STREAMOID=hj9DY2BY0Fym2HLFhF65qs$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYvNfnOaBrIe
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Fdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-=image/jpeg
(hoverboard fire damage)
]

After witnessing an eruption of sparks and flaming-hot battery fragments
ricochet across a corner of his Petaluma home and chasing down the
ensuing
fires burning at multiple points of impact with a fire extinguisher, Jim
Beels became an unsuspecting character last week in one the most
confounding
consumer product dramas in recent memory - the periodic and seemingly
random
combustion of the hottest holiday toy, the hoverboard.

The incident was one of more than 40 hoverboard-related fires documented
in
the United States and the second within a week in Sonoma County alone,
the
latest episode in the story of a gizmo whose balance-defying
functionality
has largely become a footnote to concerns of overheating and explosion.
A
Petaluma fire official said Beels was lucky to be home at the time,
unlike
the earlier hoverboard fire in Santa Rosa in which a resident came home
to
find his two dogs dead and up to a quarter-million dollars in damage.

Beels himself agreed that he was lucky, recounting the episode from the
scorched epicenter of ejecta in his home near Helen Putnam Regional
Park.

"It was a great toy, until it started exploding," he said.

Marketed under a number of brands and a wide range of prices,
hoverboards
are something like a handle-less version of a Segway Personal
Transporter.
Beels said he researched the available options before choosing what
firefighting officials would later identify as the Mini Smart
Self-Balancing
2 wheel Electric Scooter with Led Light for his daughter, Lauren, as a
birthday gift in September. Purchased from Amazon before the company's
own
voluntary recall, the product quickly became a hit with the family.

"Believe me, I like to ride this thing probably more than my daughter,"
he
said.

The device had been charging for around 20 minutes in her room when
Beels,
who was down the hall arranging ski equipment while his 15-year-old son
Josh
played video games nearby, heard a hissing noise he described as the
simultaneous opening of several soda cans.

Shortly after walking down the hall to investigate, Beels said he
witnessed
the shower of sparks ejecting from his daughter's open door, including
one
large piece of flaming shrapnel that rebounded off the opposite wall to
ignite a stack of clothes below. Sensing the cause was electrical, Beels
called for his son Josh to flee the house as he ran through the barrage
to
turn off the circuit breaker in the garage.

Re-entering the 

Re: [EVDL] A couple of Leaf observations. With more added on.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I noticed Lee Hart saying he doesn't charge to 100%.  Why.  Nissan in their 
wisdom doesn't allow us to charge to 100%.  So if you don't you are more like 
at 70%.  I now have Leaf Spy and even on slow level two charge can't get more 
than 97.3%.  A fast charge in 45 minutes might get as high as 93%.  It seems 
you can't get 100% charge in any case.  So I top off without worry. I try to 
avoid low charge as much as possible.    Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so SPACEX won't be providing the return trip...

[Cor van de Water via EV]

I believe there is a movie about that ;)

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Re: [EVDL] Elon Musk: I don't like you, so you can't have a Tesla

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

On Feb 5, 2016, at 12:25 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV  
wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I stand my ground. Musk's response was far from brilliant, it was 
> just plain childish.  A person of maturity and character would have stood 
> tall, maintained his dignity, better yet used a little wry humor.  Instead, 
> Musk stooped to the other guy's level.  
> 
> From all indications, the blogger wasn't wrong about the poorly implemented 
> presentation.  Musk should have acknowledged that fact and apologized to him 
> - and, just as importantly, to others at the event who were inconvenienced.  
> If he did that, please show me where it was reported; I didn't see it.
> 
> Treated properly, this story most likely would have been reported as a PR 
> flub, and then would have been lost in the media noise from the presidential 
> primary clown act.  Musk's behavior absolutely guaranteed ample negative 
> media coverage.
> 
> Tesla and Tesla drivers are already developing a "poor little rich boy" 
> image among the general public, and even among "lesser" EV owners.  This is 
> not going to help his cause, or that of EVs in general.

You are absolutely spot on.

Most companies would be embarrassed to have an event done so poorly, and would 
also welcome feedback on what went poorly.

This guy is not just some random blogger or serial complainer unfamiliar with 
events like this. He's a well-known former media editor, writer and (I think) 
publisher, familiar with reviewing events, products, etc.

If Musk was a Broadway producer, would he refuse to sell a ticket to a critic 
who wrote a bad review?

Producing an amazing car doesn't mean that you're not a jerk.
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