Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 4versions of Arcanum Batmobile> sliders4 desired EV power

[Alan Arrison via EV]

What a joke...

Al


On 7/30/2018 11:21 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

Meet the 5,221-hp, 303 miles per hour, all-electric Alieno Arcanum. It
delivers the finest, brashest and most bizarre set of offers we have ever
found in a press release. Alieno’s first vehicle, if these claims are to be
considered, will immediately become the fastest, strongest and most advanced
production car on earth. Let’s check out a few of their eye-popping claims:

The Arcanum comes in four versions, from the 2,610-horsepower RP2 which
breaks out 5,221 hp and 8,880 Nm of torque. Alieno plans to utilize 6
modest, axial flux electric powered motors per wheel for a full of 24 motors
in the RP5, letting it swap motors on and off in the name of performance or
cooling. All motor has its own control. The vehicle will be all-wheel-drive
if you want, or you will get into what claims to be an enormous menu system
and use sliders to divide just how much power you desire to the front and
rear wheels to turn the mechanics up. It features 17 cameras, 1 LiDAR, 8
radars, an IMU, a GPS, among others.
[© gearnova.com]


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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180730

[brucedp5 via EV]

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EVLN: 4versions of Arcanum Batmobile> sliders4 desired EV power
Battery Powered Batmobile – Alieno Arcanum 5000 Horsepower Electric Hypercar
July 28, 2018 · 20h  Meet the 5,221-hp, 303 miles per hour, all-electric
Alieno Arcanum. It delivers the finest, brashest and most bizarre set of ...
http://gearnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alieno-Arcanum-5000-Horsepower-Electric-Hyperca-4.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-L3-uk-from-app-waiting2-iffy-mapping-unhelpful-support-forms-beta-apps-tp4690753.html
EVLN: L3.uk from app-waiting2> iffy mapping,unhelpful-support,forms&
beta-apps
One man and his Tesla: an electric car's journey from Brighton to Edinburgh
27 Jul 2018  Charging up was complicated by a confusing range of speeds and
poor location mapping of stations ... “Oh, I rarely use those,” said Manoj
Varathodiyil, gesturing at a pair of public electric car chargers at a West
Midlands ...
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https://www.cnbctv18.com/auto/thailand-approves-electric-vehicle-investment-plans-of-nissan-honda-374091.htm
Thailand approves electric vehicle investment plans of Nissan, Honda
Jul 25, 2018  -9 minutes ago  Thai authorities ... approved investment plans
worth 29.63 billion baht ($888.2 million), including projects by two
Japanese automakers to produce hybrid electric vehicles and batteries ...
https://images.cnbctv18.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/2018-07-02T042835Z_1_LYNXMPEE6105Q_RTROPTP_3_NISSAN-BATTERY-768x512.jpg


https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-news/demand-electric-vehicle-trained-technicians-rises-25-07-2018
Demand for electric vehicle trained technicians rises
2018-07-25  -1 hour ago The Institute of the Motor Industry (IMI) has
repeatedly called for more technicians to be trained to service electric
vehicles, lobbying members of parliament ... Demand for EV trained
technicians has seen a sharp rise ...
https://djx5h8pabpett.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/24101859/Milton_Keynes_Electric_620.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVsharing-put-your-Bolt-2work-GM-s-Maven-in-3Midwest-cities-tp4690749.html
EVsharing: put your Bolt 2work> GM's Maven in 3Midwest cities
GM owners can make money off their Buicks with Maven car-sharing service
28 July 2018  -9 hours ago  Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles (EV) stand on
display during the press day of the ... That independently operated service
offers a broad mix of vehicles owners ...
https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2017/07/31/104621956-GettyImages-660448312.530x298.jpg?v=1501533069




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[EVDL] EVLN: L3.uk from app-waiting2> iffy mapping, unhelpful-support, forms& beta-apps

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/27/one-man-and-his-tesla-an-electric-cars-journey-to-edinburgh
One man and his Tesla: an electric car's journey from Brighton to Edinburgh
27 Jul 2018  Adam Vaughan

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Charging up was complicated by a confusing range of speeds and poor location
mapping of stations. Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian 

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2018/07/journey-zip/giv-3902rHcZcE2adfrE/electric-car-trip-map-inArticle_620.png
The Brighton to Edinburgh journey included five successful charging stops

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Adam Vaughan at the Polar electric vehicle station at the Holiday Inn hotel
off the A1 in Doncaster. Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian

https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2018/07/plugs-zip/giv-3902Epo2MXcI1vOK/Tesla_Plugs-inArticle_620.png
UK networks have 17,281 charging connectors in seven configurations
• Slow 3kW • Fast 7kW to 22kW • Rapid 43kW+ and 50kW+ • Super 120kW
81
Commando
26
Type 1
1,234
3-pin
2,096
Tesla Type 2
8,057
Type 2
656
Type 1
381
Commando
335
Tesla Supercharger
1,032
Type 2
1,342
CHAdeMO
954
Type 2
1,076
CCS
Guardian graphic. Source: Zap-map.com. Note: Data as of 25 July 2018. Total
includes 11 connectors of unknown type and speed 
]

Erratic charging support led to some anxious moments on a long-distance run
in a Model S

Guardian journalist Adam Vaughan charging a Tesla car at a Polar electric
vehicle station at the Holiday Inn hotel off the A1 in Doncaster.

“Oh, I rarely use those,” said Manoj Varathodiyil, gesturing at a pair of
public electric car chargers at a West Midlands service station.

Instead, the GP has plugged his car into a “supercharger”, one of a network
built by US electric carmaker Tesla, exclusively for the use of the firm’s
customers.

Varathodiyil, who went electric because of concerns over air pollution and
fossil fuels, is one of Britain’s vanguard of 160,000 early adopters
learning to live with a plug-in car.

Most of those drivers charge at home (87%) and work (8%). But the government
wants to ban sales of new petrol and diesel cars by 2040 and recently laid
out its Road to zero plan for getting there, envisaging “a massive
expansion” of public chargers. For the 43% of households without off-street
parking, that infrastructure will be vital if electric cars are to become
the future norm.

But what about today? Is the road to zero riddled with potholes? To test the
state of infrastructure now, the Guardian embarked on a grand tour of
Britain’s car parks, service stations and hotels by driving an electric car
from Brighton to Edinburgh.

Things started badly. Oil giant Shell recently branched out into electric
car charging [
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/18/shell-to-open-electric-vehicle-charging-points-at-uk-petrol-stations
], so one of its petrol stations in Surrey, just 56 miles into the journey,
looked like an ideal coffee stop. But the app could not start the charger.
“No sir, I can’t help you from here,” helpline staff said, but insisted
workers at the forecourt were “familiar with the procedures”. They were not.
Thirty minutes wasted but a more reliable-looking Tesla site 70 miles north
beckoned.

Fortunately, the Guardian had borrowed a Tesla Model S, which has the
longest range of any electric car on sale in the UK, at 319 miles at 70mph [
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/07/tesla-drivers-claim-model-s-distance-record-of-670-miles-on-one-charge-elon-musk
], and a price that starts at £66,730 to match. But a closer charger might
have been needed for more affordable models, such as the BMW i3 (124-mile
range).

Chargers are ranked with confusing labels on how quickly they can top up a
car’s battery. Fast is better than slow, but rapid is faster than fast, and
super is best of all.
Adam Vaughan at the Polar electric vehicle station at the Holiday Inn hotel
off the A1 in Doncaster.

The Tesla chargers in a Northampton hotel car park were super ones, so half
an hour provided another 121 miles of range.

Next stop was one of the growing number of rapid chargers at motorway
service stations. Signposting was poor but operator Ecotricity’s app was
easy enough and, unlike some charging sites, this one in Nottinghamshire had
toilets.

A short 42-mile drive north ended in the electric equivalent of a satnav
guiding you into a lake. The postcode of the charger was a residential road
outside Doncaster that led to a dirt road and a dead end.

While there are many charger maps – such as Zap Map, PlugShare, Open Charge
Map – the postcodes and pins are not always perfectly accurate.
Surprisingly, they are not built into Google 

Re: [EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

[Matt Awesome via EV]

https://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105314 <--
Maybe someone trying to scam them or defame them or screwed up his
cells and tried to blame them, but one guy says not to trust their
batteries.
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[EVDL] EVLN: 4versions of Arcanum Batmobile> sliders4 desired EV power

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://gearnova.com/battery-powered-batmobile-alieno-arcanum-5000-horsepower-electric-hypercar/
Battery Powered Batmobile – Alieno Arcanum 5000 Horsepower Electric Hypercar
July 28, 2018  

[images  
http://gearnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alieno-Arcanum-5000-Horsepower-Electric-Hyperca-1.jpg

http://gearnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alieno-Arcanum-5000-Horsepower-Electric-Hyperca-2.jpg

http://gearnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alieno-Arcanum-5000-Horsepower-Electric-Hyperca-3.jpg

http://gearnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alieno-Arcanum-5000-Horsepower-Electric-Hyperca-4.jpg
]

Meet the 5,221-hp, 303 miles per hour, all-electric Alieno Arcanum. It
delivers the finest, brashest and most bizarre set of offers we have ever
found in a press release. Alieno’s first vehicle, if these claims are to be
considered, will immediately become the fastest, strongest and most advanced
production car on earth. Let’s check out a few of their eye-popping claims:

The Arcanum comes in four versions, from the 2,610-horsepower RP2 which
breaks out 5,221 hp and 8,880 Nm of torque. Alieno plans to utilize 6
modest, axial flux electric powered motors per wheel for a full of 24 motors
in the RP5, letting it swap motors on and off in the name of performance or
cooling. All motor has its own control. The vehicle will be all-wheel-drive
if you want, or you will get into what claims to be an enormous menu system
and use sliders to divide just how much power you desire to the front and
rear wheels to turn the mechanics up. It features 17 cameras, 1 LiDAR, 8
radars, an IMU, a GPS, among others.
[© gearnova.com]


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-750k-Alieno-5-221hp-HyperEV-bg-r-634mi-tp4690507.html
EVLN: €750k Alieno 5,221hp HyperEV.bg r:634mi
Alieno is an Electric Hypercar That Will Generate an Alleged
5,221-Horsepower 
Jul 10 2018


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https://www.cnbctv18.com/auto/thailand-approves-electric-vehicle-investment-plans-of-nissan-honda-374091.htm
Thailand approves electric vehicle investment plans of Nissan, Honda
Jul 25, 2018  -9 minutes ago  Thai authorities ... approved investment plans
worth 29.63 billion baht ($888.2 million), including projects by two
Japanese automakers to produce hybrid electric vehicles and batteries ...
https://images.cnbctv18.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/2018-07-02T042835Z_1_LYNXMPEE6105Q_RTROPTP_3_NISSAN-BATTERY-768x512.jpg




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[EVDL] EVsharing: put your Bolt 2work> GM's Maven in 3Midwest cities

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/gms-maven-offers-to-put-owners-cars-to-work.html
GM owners can make money off their Buicks with Maven car-sharing service
28 July 2018  Paul A. Eisenstein

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Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles (EV) stand on display during the press day
of the Seoul Motor Show in Goyang, South Korea
 / SeongJoon Cho | Bloomberg | Getty Images
]

  - GM is using its car-sharing service Maven to pilot a new car-sharing
service in three Midwest cities.
  - The owner of a Chevrolet Equinox who constantly rents out the vehicle
could take home $500 a month, GM said.
  - With the sharing economy, there's growing demand for transportation
alternatives. 

[image]  Cadillac Escalade Platinum ice  / General Motors

The typical American driver spends no more than an hour a day behind the
wheel, effectively paying to let that vehicle sit idle most of the time,
when they could be making $500 or more a month sharing it with strangers,
according to General Motors.

The Detroit automaker is using its car-sharing service Maven to pilot a new
peer-to-peer service in three Midwest cities. It allows GM owners to share
their Buicks, Chevys and Cadillacs with other GM customers.

Maven already has 150,000 registered subscribers that it serves with a fleet
of GM-owned cars, trucks and crossovers. As part of its plan to expand,
Maven wants to sign up GM owners with vehicles from the 2015 model year or
newer and give its customers access to those, as well, splitting the rental
fee.

"It's time to put your car to work," said Julia Steyn, vice president of GM
Urban Mobility services and Maven, adding that "your car is one of the most
expensive things you own. Sitting idle, it is a wasted asset."

Indeed, considering that data service Edmunds estimates the average new 2018
model went for around $34,000 last month, that's a lot of money tied up in a
vehicle you don't use all that much.

With the sharing economy, there's growing demand for transportation
alternatives. For some folks, the answer is simply to tap a smartphone app
and call for an Uber or some other ride-hailing service. But others prefer
to drive themselves, and ride-sharing services provide an alternative to
traditional car rental companies for those who might only need a set of
wheels for an hour or two.

Traditionally, car-sharing services like Maven or Car2Go have to set up
their own vehicle networks, which is a costly undertaking. Since it was
established in 2016, Maven claims to have logged 300 million miles on its
factory-owned vehicles.

It's not the first car-sharing service to adopt a peer-to-peer model. That's
the foundation of Turo, the San Francisco-based transportation provider that
started out as RelayRides in 2010. It now claims to have 4 million
registered customers who can access 170,000 vehicles across the country.

That independently operated service offers a broad mix of vehicles owners
can choose from for both short- and longer-term rentals, claiming to provide
an average 30 percent discount compared with conventional rent-a-car
companies like Avis or Hertz. It offers a wide range of new, and even some
old vehicles, with prices ranging from $10 all the way up to $250 a day.

Maven says it will only work with owners of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet and
GMC vehicles from the 2015 model year or newer. Like Turo, it will let
owners set pricing, though it will provide a guide based on what similar
products are going for.

The GM subsidiary hasn't yet released many details, including how it will
reimburse owners. Steyn suggested that an owner of a Chevrolet Equinox who
constantly rents the vehicle out could take home $500 or so a month. That
figure actually comes in a bit below what Turo claims an owner can make.
Considering the base price of a new 2018 Equinox, around $24,000, Turos
website suggests "you could earn $14,023 annually." The San Francisco
car-sharing service gives owners a 65 to 85 percent cut of the rental fee.

Whatever the final numbers, owners will have to cover things like gas and
maintenance. The extra cash could help cover a motorist's monthly car note.
And the GM service is suggesting some owners may find the extra cash helps
them upgrade the car they buy.
The Chevy Camaro ZL1 introduced at the New York International Car Show at
the Javits Center on March 23, 2016 in New York, NY.

[image]  The Chevy Camaro ZL1 ice introduced at the New York International
Car Show at the Javits Center on March 23, 2016 in New York, NY.  / Ashlee
Espinal | CNBC

Maven will kick in a $1 million insurance plan, as well. But owners will
have to accept the idea that they might occasionally find a renter stuck in
traffic or simply not back when expected. And there's the reality that
owners won't be able to use their own cars to store child seats, beach bags
or soccer balls.

In its early years, Turo 

Re: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[John Blair via EV]

Hi Lawrence,

I am in a similar situation.  I drive 4-5 times a year on a 1100 mile round 
trip between Northern California and Southern California.  I drive my RAV4-EV 
with an aftermarket CHAdeMO port.  It has an extended range of 125 miles.  Even 
driving at 60 mph, I don’t seem to get more than about 110 miles when it is 
loaded with a couple of German Shepherds and all of our gear.  I aim for a max 
of 100 miles between charging stops and drive along Hwy 101.  The difficult 
spot is between Salinas and San Luis Obispo.  You can just make it (I have been 
told) if you drive 50 mph with a light foot in good weather.  There are those 
that do that.  I spend the night in Paso Robles instead and charge L2 at the 
motel overnight.  I am ready for a break by then anyway.  Because you are using 
the maximum range each trip, you are having to spend a lot more time charging 
in the “taper”, which is a lot slower than the “up to 50 kW” charge rate.  
Typically, I have to charge twice for 45-60 minutes, overnight, and then twice 
more. 

I just got my new Tesla Model 3LR.  It will shave a huge amount of time off of 
the drive.  I only have to charge twice on the way down: once for 15 minutes 
and once for 20 minutes.  I will not even use the extended range mode.  Because 
the charging sessions are short, I will be charging in the sweet spot at 115 kW 
(approximately 475 mph).  The Model 3LR has much better mileage than the RAV 
(or even the other Teslas) and charges quicker as well.  I can drive on I-5, a 
shorter route and drive at 70 mph instead of 55-60.  I will probably stop more 
than twice just to stretch our legs, have something to eat and drink, and use 
the facilities.  As much as I like the RAV and it’s carrying capacity, the 
Model 3 will work out much better for the longer trips.


John
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Occidental, California
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> On Jul 30, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
> the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are 
> all CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  
> As well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However 
> there are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good 
> for each standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 
> is not a good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you 
> don't show up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know 
> how to use Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  
> That is how I found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on 
> Chademo.  You just have to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your 
> travel time.  That is what we did coming North on the 101 from LA to San 
> Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you must stay in King City for a few hours.  
> As of today You can not make a trip on the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in 
> either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo has the gap near Weed, CA where a 
> 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no alternative route.   What I think 
> should happen is Govt. involvement.  It should be required that all fast 
> charge stations have equipment or allow equipment that allows any fast charge 
> standard to be utilized.  I would love to use the Supercharger system with my 
> Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross country with my Leaf today...However 
> with the reduced charging speed of 40kw not sure I'd want to go cross country 
> with that slow standard.  I will probably buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging 
> speed.  It's not the range...it is the charging time that makes EV's slow.  
> If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to 
> every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Roger Stockton via EV]

Cor van de Water wrote:

> Another data point to consider:
> The *cheapest* (base tariff) rate of household electricity here in Silicon
> Valley has now been raised above $0.21 per kWh.
> If you go over your baseline (about 11 kWh/day) then price increases over
> 30c/kWh which almost everyone hits.
> So, the rate of financial savings here is about 3 times as fast as you
> calculated with 10c/kWh.

Just another reason that we need to avoid generalising a specific situation as 
being applicable in general ;^>

Here (British Columbia, Canada), our base rate is $0.0884/kWh for the first 
1350kWh over a 2-month billing cycle (about 22kWh/day).

Again, the point was not to argue whether the specific values in my example 
apply to everyone (or anyone ;^), but just to illustrate that communicating the 
financial benefit of saving energy is trickier to do.

Cheers,

Roger.

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Re: [EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

[SLPinfo.org via EV]

I have dealt with them many times.  They started out doing conversions and
they did both of mine (neither of which I own anymore).  I have also
purchased parts from them and never had any problems. Carl Clark is, in my
opinion, a very honorable person.  BUT I have not had any contact with them
in a few years.

- Peter Flipsen

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Tom Hudson via EV 
wrote:

> Does anybody know if electriccarpartscompany.com is legit and still in
> business?
> I asked them for a battery+BMS quote over a week ago and haven't heard a
> peep. Followed up with an email a couple of days ago, and have heard
> nothing.
> I'm trying to upgrade the battery pack in our Solectria E-10 pickup with
> CALB CA-100s and they have a good price and also sell the Orion BMS.
> Anyone dealt with them?
> -Tom
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Another data point to consider:
The *cheapest* (base tariff) rate of household electricity here in Silicon 
Valley has now been raised above $0.21 per kWh.
If you go over your baseline (about 11 kWh/day) then price increases over 
30c/kWh which almost everyone hits.
So, the rate of financial savings here is about 3 times as fast as you 
calculated with 10c/kWh.
Cor.

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From: Roger Stockton via EV
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

David Roden wrote:

> Incandescents that are used daily burn out fast, and get replaced with
> modern CF or LED retrofits.

My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on when you 
enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die *faster* than 
incandescents.  If you leave a CFL on continuously, it will last much longer 
than if it is switched on and off frequently.

I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when they are 
switched on and off frequently.  (See, for instance, 
<http://wavelengthlighting.com/blog/2013/12/2/lights-out-the-practical-life-expectancy-of-leds>.)

> For something like this argument to hit home and get them off their
> duffs, they have to able to nod and think, "Sure, that makes sense for
> us."
> Whether it's accurate or not, does "LEDs pay for the EV's energy" really
> do that, do you think?

When I was trying to convince my strata corporation to allow me to charge my EV 
(a conversion), what I found was that many people cannot understand the amount 
of energy that an EV consumes.  They see an extremely large "appliance" and 
assume that it will consume so much electricity that the lights in the building 
will dim when it is plugged in, and the electric bill will go through the roof, 
etc.

So, I think the challenge will be in making them understand/appreciate that the 
energy savings associated with a few lightbulbs can really save enough energy 
to allow an EV to drive some miles each day.

As to the "accurate or not", I think it is not trivial to get an accurate idea 
of the possible savings.  Due to the difficulty buying household incandescents 
now, I tried a couple of apples-to-apples comparisons using Home Depot 
(Canada)'s online catalog:

50W GU10 halogen vs 5W LED:

  - halogen $15.97/6, so $31.94/12; LED $107.88/12.
  - LEDs cost $75.94 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of
759.4kWh of electricity
  - LEDs save 540W/h of use; so it will take 1406.29h, or 281.25 days
(0.77yr) at 5h/day with all 12 LEDs on before any saved electricity
is available for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 225Wh/day,
or about 1mi of range

23W CFL vs 14W LED (both 100W equivalent):

  - CFL $15.97/4, LED $12.97/2, so $25.94/4
  - LEDs cost $9.97 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of 99.7kWh
of electricity
  - LEDs save 36W/h of use; so it will take 2769.4h, or 553.8 days (1.5yr)
at 5h/day with all 4 LEDs on before any saved electricity is available
for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 45Wh/day,
or about 1/5mi of range

While it is fairly unarguable that *any* amount of electricity saved in our 
everyday non-EV use lives will allow us to drive an EV *some* distance without 
increasing our utility bill, I think it is still unclear that there is an 
economic benefit, which is unfortunate since more people understand dollars 
than watt-hours or miles of range ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.
  
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Re: [EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

[Damon Henry via EV]

I bought a shunt from them a couple of months ago... I believe through Ebay.  
Everything was legit and they delivered in a timely manner.  It was only a $30 
part though, so not a lot of risk.

Damon

From: EV  on behalf of Tom Hudson via EV 

Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:09 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: Tom Hudson
Subject: [EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

Does anybody know if electriccarpartscompany.com is legit and still in business?
I asked them for a battery+BMS quote over a week ago and haven't heard a peep. 
Followed up with an email a couple of days ago, and have heard nothing.
I'm trying to upgrade the battery pack in our Solectria E-10 pickup with CALB 
CA-100s and they have a good price and also sell the Orion BMS.
Anyone dealt with them?
-Tom


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[EVDL] electriccarpartscompany.com?

[Tom Hudson via EV]

Does anybody know if electriccarpartscompany.com is legit and still in business?
I asked them for a battery+BMS quote over a week ago and haven't heard a peep. 
Followed up with an email a couple of days ago, and have heard nothing. 
I'm trying to upgrade the battery pack in our Solectria E-10 pickup with CALB 
CA-100s and they have a good price and also sell the Orion BMS.
Anyone dealt with them?
-Tom


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Re: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[paul dove via EV]

I for do not think we need government involvement.
Private enterprise will eventually fill the gaps. There's no money in it yet 
but there will be.


  From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
 To: "ev@lists.evdl.org"  
Cc: Lawrence Rhodes 
 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:10 AM
 Subject: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy 
I-5 CCS adequate.
   
I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are all 
CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  As 
well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However there 
are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good for each 
standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 is not a 
good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you don't show 
up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know how to use 
Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  That is how I 
found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on Chademo.  You just have 
to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your travel time.  That is what we 
did coming North on the 101 from LA to San Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you 
must stay in King City for a few hours.  As of today You can not make a trip on 
the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo 
has the gap near Weed, CA where a 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no 
alternative route.   What I think should happen is Govt. involvement.  It 
should be required that all fast charge stations have equipment or allow 
equipment that allows any fast charge standard to be utilized.  I would love to 
use the Supercharger system with my Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross 
country with my Leaf today...However with the reduced charging speed of 40kw 
not sure I'd want to go cross country with that slow standard.  I will probably 
buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging speed.  It's not the range...it is the 
charging time that makes EV's slow.  If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 
84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

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To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] L3 EVSE: Chademo still lagging behind on the west
    coast electric Hwy I-5
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Lawrence,

a couple of points:
other than letting you feel good venting on the evdl to fellow EV'rs (and
providing some interesting detail on your EV route/experiences), we can't do
much about correcting the too far away gaps between public L3 EVSE. I have
vented in the past but always let the powers that be also know.

I suggest (if you haven't already) shoot these lack of infrastructure
concerns to those that can act on them. VW is still touting how great are
their efforts to install EVSE
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan
Over a ten year period ending in 2027, Electrify America will invest $2
billion in Zero ... charging network -- to drive EV adoption by reducing
charging anxiety ...
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=volkswagen+charging


VW wouldn't be making such an effort if it were for the efforts of many
(including sierra club) to sue/hold vw responsible for their dieselgate
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2017/11/all-50-states-apply-for-vw-settlement-funds-ahead-schedule

So, I would let both sierra club and their buddies at plug in america know
of the charging discrepancies.

2nd point: I think you and I are using plugshare differently, giving
different results.
You mentioned Mt. Shasta, but sometimes Lake Shasta is transposed in the
word use. If I understand correctly, you are EV touring/trekking north on
I-5 from Sacramento aiming for just south of Medford, OR.

I came up with L3 CHAdeMO points to get you there and back (map)
https://goo.gl/maps/wLYRweUf9Es

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81743
2256 Solano St, Corning, CA 96021

https://www.plugshare.com/location/7
833 E Cypress Ave, Redding, CA 96002

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81745
4314 Pioneer Way, Dunsmuir, CA 96025

https://www.plugshare.com/location/75901
1868 Fort Jones Rd, Yreka, CA 96097

https://www.plugshare.com/location/6542
2371 Ashland St, Ashland, OR 97520
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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Lee Hart via EV]

Jim Walls via EV wrote:

On 7/29/2018 11:56 PM, Roger Stockton via EV wrote:

My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on
when you enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die
*faster* than incandescents. If you leave a CFL on continuously, it
will last much longer than if it is switched on and off frequently.


I will agree with that one.


Same for me. They don't last if frequently switched on/off.

I replaced the incandescencs in my basement with CFLs. They died faster 
than the incandescents, because they were typically only turned on 
briefly. I went back to incandescents, but run them through a dimmer. I 
turn them on by cranking the knob up slowly, to "soft start" the 
incandescents. That was 10+ years ago, and not a single incandescent has 
failed.


energy savings isn't important, because they aren't on enough to matter, 
and I don't mind a little extra heat in the basement.



I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when
they are switched on and off frequently.


The LEDs themselves won't care. But the control electronics might. 
Especially if they cheapen them into an early death.


LED lights basically have a stripped down el-cheapo switchmode power 
supply. Such supplies typically have a rectifier off the AC line, and a 
big filter capacitor. No "inrush" current limiter is provided (it would 
add cost). The diodes get hit by the high peak turn-on current as they 
try to charge that capacitor "instantly".


And the capacitors are usually electrolytics (the cheapest kind), with 
voltage and temperature ratings that are barely adequate. Electrolytics 
have a limited life anyway; 1000 hours is typical at full voltage and 
temperature.


So the stage is set for early failures for LED lights in frequent on/off 
use, too.


--
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little worse and sell a little cheaper. Those who consider price
alone are that person's lawful prey. -- John Ruskin
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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Roger Stockton via EV]

Cor van de Water wrote:

> LED prices are much more competitive than you put in your calculation.
> Almost every LED that I see can be had for $5 or less.
> Best selling on Amazon is a good quality, non-dimming LED for $1.39 when
> you buy a 16 pack ($22.22 for the pack)

It was not my goal to try to shop for the best price for each type of bulb, but 
to use apples-to-apples in the sense that both bulbs being compared were from 
the same vendor (and were the same brand), so that even if the prices are not 
the best, they should both be similarly inflated.

I compared dimmable LED bulbs, which are a bit more costly than non-dimmables, 
since the halogen bulbs are dimmable, and so a non-dimmable LED bulb would be 
an unfair comparison as it could not be used to replace a halogen bulb in all 
cases.

Robert Bruninga wrote:

> >  halogen  $31.94/12;
> >  LED $107.88/12.
> 
> That's $9 each!
> Wow, not at my home depot.
> 60W(eq) LEDs in a package of 4 only cost $8 or $2 each at my home depot
> 75W(eq) maybe cost $3 each?
> This is a routine price, not a "sale"...
> But I think the utilities subsidize them somewhat.

Bear in mind that the prices I quoted are in Canadian dollars, and so will 
appear higher than US prices due to the exchange rate.  As I state above, the 
LEDs I chose to compare are dimmable ones, and so not necessarily the cheapest 
one can find.

Don't get too hung up on the exact numbers; the salient point here is that LEDs 
cost at least a bit more than the CFL or incandescent bulb you replace, and so 
it takes a while before they save enough energy to recover the initial purchase 
cost.  Only after that are the energy savings realised in a financial way.

Clearly, using the LEDs saves *energy* that then becomes available for the EV 
to use, but how much *money* is saved will depend upon the type of bulb 
replaced, the particular LED bulb used to replace it, how the bulb is used, and 
how long the bulb lasts before needing to be replaced again.  This just makes 
it difficult to communicate the advantage in a simple financial savings way, 
which is easier for most people to understand.

Cheers,

Roger.





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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Jim Walls via EV]

On 7/29/2018 11:56 PM, Roger Stockton via EV wrote:
My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on 
when you enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die 
*faster* than incandescents. If you leave a CFL on continuously, it 
will last much longer than if it is switched on and off frequently.


I will agree with that one.  Many years ago, the first CFL I installed 
was in my bedroom closet.  On and off many times a day. Lasted about 
three months.  Put an incan in there back then.  It's now an LED.



I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when they are 
switched on and off frequently.


My experience is that switching LEDs on and off does not bother them.  
I'm one of those strange people who runs a music synchronized Christmas 
light show.  Everything in the show is LEDs.  I have LEDs that switch on 
and off thousands of times every night.  Additionally some of the lights 
are used year round for landscape lighting. Again, lights are switching 
on and off and / or dimming many times per day.  Reliability is VERY 
high with the LEDs.


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Re: [EVDL] BMS Sensor Selection

[bvgandhi via EV]

Hi Lee,

Thanks for your insightful reply. I am trying to develop  a BMS which can
interact with my ADAS system controller. So I am trying to implement a power
prediction capability. I wanted to ask you if you think can chalk out a
criteria which I can use for selecting my temperature sensor for the BMS ?

Thanks,
Bhavesh

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[EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are all 
CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  As 
well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However there 
are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good for each 
standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 is not a 
good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you don't show 
up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know how to use 
Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  That is how I 
found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on Chademo.  You just have 
to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your travel time.  That is what we 
did coming North on the 101 from LA to San Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you 
must stay in King City for a few hours.  As of today You can not make a trip on 
the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo 
has the gap near Weed, CA where a 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no 
alternative route.   What I think should happen is Govt. involvement.  It 
should be required that all fast charge stations have equipment or allow 
equipment that allows any fast charge standard to be utilized.  I would love to 
use the Supercharger system with my Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross 
country with my Leaf today...However with the reduced charging speed of 40kw 
not sure I'd want to go cross country with that slow standard.  I will probably 
buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging speed.  It's not the range...it is the 
charging time that makes EV's slow.  If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 
84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

From: brucedp5 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] L3 EVSE: Chademo still lagging behind on the west
    coast electric Hwy I-5
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Lawrence,

a couple of points:
other than letting you feel good venting on the evdl to fellow EV'rs (and
providing some interesting detail on your EV route/experiences), we can't do
much about correcting the too far away gaps between public L3 EVSE. I have
vented in the past but always let the powers that be also know.

I suggest (if you haven't already) shoot these lack of infrastructure
concerns to those that can act on them. VW is still touting how great are
their efforts to install EVSE
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan
Over a ten year period ending in 2027, Electrify America will invest $2
billion in Zero ... charging network -- to drive EV adoption by reducing
charging anxiety ...
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=volkswagen+charging


VW wouldn't be making such an effort if it were for the efforts of many
(including sierra club) to sue/hold vw responsible for their dieselgate
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2017/11/all-50-states-apply-for-vw-settlement-funds-ahead-schedule

So, I would let both sierra club and their buddies at plug in america know
of the charging discrepancies.

2nd point: I think you and I are using plugshare differently, giving
different results.
You mentioned Mt. Shasta, but sometimes Lake Shasta is transposed in the
word use. If I understand correctly, you are EV touring/trekking north on
I-5 from Sacramento aiming for just south of Medford, OR.

I came up with L3 CHAdeMO points to get you there and back (map)
https://goo.gl/maps/wLYRweUf9Es

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81743
2256 Solano St, Corning, CA 96021

https://www.plugshare.com/location/7
833 E Cypress Ave, Redding, CA 96002

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81745
4314 Pioneer Way, Dunsmuir, CA 96025

https://www.plugshare.com/location/75901
1868 Fort Jones Rd, Yreka, CA 96097

https://www.plugshare.com/location/6542
2371 Ashland St, Ashland, OR 97520
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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

>  halogen  $31.94/12;
>  LED $107.88/12.

That's $9 each!
Wow, not at my home depot.
60W(eq) LEDs in a package of 4 only cost $8 or $2 each at my home depot
75W(eq) maybe cost $3 each?
This is a routine price, not a "sale"...
But I think the utilities subsidize them somewhat.

Bob
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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 2:56 AM
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Cc: Roger Stockton 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

David Roden wrote:

> Incandescents that are used daily burn out fast, and get replaced with
> modern CF or LED retrofits.

My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on when
you enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die *faster* than
incandescents.  If you leave a CFL on continuously, it will last much
longer than if it is switched on and off frequently.

I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when they
are switched on and off frequently.  (See, for instance,
.)

> For something like this argument to hit home and get them off their
> duffs, they have to able to nod and think, "Sure, that makes sense for
> us."
> Whether it's accurate or not, does "LEDs pay for the EV's energy"
> really do that, do you think?

When I was trying to convince my strata corporation to allow me to charge
my EV (a conversion), what I found was that many people cannot understand
the amount of energy that an EV consumes.  They see an extremely large
"appliance" and assume that it will consume so much electricity that the
lights in the building will dim when it is plugged in, and the electric
bill will go through the roof, etc.

So, I think the challenge will be in making them understand/appreciate
that the energy savings associated with a few lightbulbs can really save
enough energy to allow an EV to drive some miles each day.

As to the "accurate or not", I think it is not trivial to get an accurate
idea of the possible savings.  Due to the difficulty buying household
incandescents now, I tried a couple of apples-to-apples comparisons using
Home Depot (Canada)'s online catalog:

50W GU10 halogen vs 5W LED:

  - halogen $15.97/6, so $31.94/12; LED $107.88/12.
  - LEDs cost $75.94 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of
759.4kWh of electricity
  - LEDs save 540W/h of use; so it will take 1406.29h, or 281.25 days
(0.77yr) at 5h/day with all 12 LEDs on before any saved electricity
is available for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save
225Wh/day,
or about 1mi of range

23W CFL vs 14W LED (both 100W equivalent):

  - CFL $15.97/4, LED $12.97/2, so $25.94/4
  - LEDs cost $9.97 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of 99.7kWh
of electricity
  - LEDs save 36W/h of use; so it will take 2769.4h, or 553.8 days (1.5yr)
at 5h/day with all 4 LEDs on before any saved electricity is available
for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save
45Wh/day,
or about 1/5mi of range

While it is fairly unarguable that *any* amount of electricity saved in
our everyday non-EV use lives will allow us to drive an EV *some* distance
without increasing our utility bill, I think it is still unclear that
there is an economic benefit, which is unfortunate since more people
understand dollars than watt-hours or miles of range ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.

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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180729

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-tum-de-aCar-EV-for-2019-Sub-Saharan-production-af-v-tp4690733.html
EVLN: tum.de aCar EV for 2019 Sub-Saharan production.af (v)
Africa EV aCar going into serial production 2019
Jul 29, 2018  -7 hours ago  The EV designed by the Technical University of
Munich to operate in Africa will ... under the premise of an electric
vehicle for African environmental conditions ...
https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tu-m%C3%BCnchen-acar-iaa-2017-3e-motion-01.png


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla-3-vs-MustangGT-ice-stoplight-child-s-play-challenge-v-tp4690734.html
EVLN: Tesla-3 vs MustangGT-ice stoplight child’s play challenge (v)
Tesla Model 3 turns stoplight challenge by a Ford Mustang GT into child’s
play
July 29, 2018 -3 hours ago  The race between the performance vehicle and the
electric car started when the light turned green. The driver of the Model 3
had a pretty bad start ...
https://youtu.be/SJ59-DLgcwo


+
https://www.rushlane.com/vespa-elettrica-launch-plans-india-12275527.html
New Vespa Elettrica launch planned for India – Can electric scooters replace
Honda Activa?
Jul 29, 2018 -10 hours ago  Vespa Elettrica could be Piaggio India's first
EV ... confirmed that Piaggio is ready with electric technology for two- and
four-wheelers, and is currently waiting for the introduction of proper EV
regulations ...
https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/vespa-elettrica-1.jpg


(i-Miev)
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/29/taking-my-electric-city-car-on-a-long-distance-journey/
Taking My Electric “City Car” On A Long-Distance Journey
July 29th, 2018 -5 hours ago  Because truthfully, current electric vehicles
are vastly superior to their internal combustion engine counterparts, so no
sacrifice is really required, just a change of ...
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2018/07/Frome-1.jpg


(public comment)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-pipeline-purpose-is-to-block-electric-cars-1532888351
Oil Pipeline Purpose Is to Block Electric Cars
July 29, 2018  Enbridge Line 3 is a lifeline to an industry struggling to
justify itself ... July 23 editorial “Standing Rock Redux” the editorial
board shows it is stuck in old ways of thinking about oil transportation ...
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-BE274_3pipel_M_20180719180410.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/DC-modified-Reva-i-totally-futuristic-Star-Wars-inspired-look-tp4690732.html
DC-modified Reva-i> totally futuristic Star Wars inspired look
CRAZILY modified DC Design cars & what they look like in real life: Honda
City to Skoda Superb
July 29, 2018 -6 hours ago  Who would believe that the car ... started its
life as a harmless, li'l Reva electric car. DC has given the electric car a
Star Wars inspired ...
https://i1.wp.com/www.cartoq.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/DC_Reva_1.jpg?resize=640%2C356=1




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[EVDL] EVLN: Tesla-3 vs MustangGT-ice stoplight child’s play challenge (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-vs-ford-mustang-gt-stoplight-drag-race/
Tesla Model 3 turns stoplight challenge by a Ford Mustang GT into child’s
play
July 29, 2018  Simon Alvarez

[image  
https://cdn.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tesla-model-3-acceleration-test-vs-mustang-1000x600.jpg


video  / TeslaExposed/YouTube
https://youtu.be/SJ59-DLgcwo
Tesla Model 3 vs Ford Mustang GT?
Long Range RWD Model 3 engage the Ford Mustang GT in an impromptu stop light
battle ...
]

Looking at the listed performance specs for the Long Range Tesla Model 3 in
single motor configuration, the vehicle’s 0-60 mph time of 5.1 seconds and a
top speed of 140 mph isn’t the frightening power and acceleration of Tesla’s
flagship sedan, the dual motor Model S P100D. Tesla’s exotic car killer is
capable of sprinting to 60 mph in 2.3 seconds on Ludicrous Mode and holds
the title as winner of Motor Trend’s “World’s Greatest Drag Race.”
Nevertheless, a recent video shot in the perspective of a Model 3 driver
shows how even a single motor, Tesla’s more modestly specced all-electric
powertrain is impressively quick and capable of turning impromptu stop light
challenges from high-performance gas-powered cars into child’s play.

A Model 3 owner who runs the YouTube channel TeslaExposed recently posted a
video featuring a casual acceleration test against a Ford Mustang GT. On
paper, the matchup between the Long Range RWD Model 3 and a 2015 Ford
Mustang GT look compelling. Between the two vehicles, the Mustang GT
actually has the edge in terms of listed performance specs, with its 0-60
mph time of 4.4 seconds and its top speed of 164 mph. The 2015 iteration of
the American-bred muscle car is powered by a 5.0-liter DOHC 32-valve V8
engine with 435 hp that produces 400 lb-ft of torque. The high-performance
car, just like its predecessors from years past, is also equipped with a
6-speed manual transmission.

Calling all adventure seekers! After doing extensive research, we’ve figured
out how you can live your best life this summer while getting out in the
great outdoors.

On the other hand, the Long Range Tesla Model 3 is equipped with a single
192 kW AC three-phase permanent magnet electric motor that produces instant
torque off the line. It is also fitted with a battery pack comprised of
Tesla’s new 2170 cells, which give the electric car a range of 310 miles per
single charge.

The race between the  performance vehicle and the electric car started when
the light turned green. The driver of the Model 3 had a pretty bad start,
stepping on the accelerator noticeably after the 2015 Ford Mustang GT’s
driver. While the Mustang GT commanded an early lead, it only took a split
second for the Model 3 to overtake the American muscle car with authority.
Needless to say, the first-person view from the driver’s seat shows Tesla’s
rather conservative Long Range RWD Model 3 is plenty quick.

Tesla is currently beginning deliveries of the Model 3 Performance, the
top-tier variant of the electric car, to reservation holders. The Model 3
Performance is equipped with dual electric motors that produce a combined
450 hp and 471 lb-ft of torque. The vehicle, which Elon Musk states would be
15% faster than a BMW M3 on the track, is listed with a 0-60 mph time of 3.5
seconds and a top speed of 155 mph. Just like Model 3 in a single motor
configuration, Model 3 Performance is capable of traveling 310 miles on a
single charge.
[© teslarati.com]


+
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https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/29/taking-my-electric-city-car-on-a-long-distance-journey/
Taking My Electric “City Car” On A Long-Distance Journey
July 29th, 2018 -5 hours ago  Because truthfully, current electric vehicles
are vastly superior to their internal combustion engine counterparts, so no
sacrifice is really required, just a change of ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: tum.de aCar EV for 2019 Sub-Saharan production.af (v)

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.electrive.com/2018/07/29/africa-ev-acar-going-into-serial-production-2019/
Africa EV aCar going into serial production 2019
Jul 29, 2018  Chris Randall

[image  
https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tu-m%C3%BCnchen-acar-iaa-2017-3e-motion-01.png


video
https://youtu.be/kNOCePL8_jQ
Ländliche Mobilität in Entwicklungsländern: Das aCar wird getestet (In
German)
]

The EV designed by the Technical University of Munich to operate in Africa
will go into serial production by Evum Motors, which was founded as part of
the project.

1,000 vehicles are planned for the first year, which will be sold within
Europe. As of 2020, the vehicle could be produced by partners in development
countries. In Europe, the car will cost 22,000 euros, while the cost for
developing nations will be 10,000 euros.

The vehicle was initially introduced as a prototype in 2016, which was
created under the premise of an electric vehicle for African environmental
conditions, as well as provide the maximum utility to locals. This means it
was designed with agricultural and economic purposes in mind. With this
target in mind, ,researchers from the TU Munich worked on the designs for
four years with some cooperation partners. After testing in Ghana, the team
presented an updated version of the vehicle at the IAA 2017. Now, one year
later, the team is no longer only focusing on Africa, instead considering
applications and markets around the world, from Brazil to Indonesia, as well
as Europe, where the team hopes to supply farmers or forest authorities.

Regarding technical specifications of the 2017 concept, it is clear that the
vehicle was not designed to have high top speeds or a spectacular range, but
instead focusing on a high load capacity, simple maintenance and
functionality on difficult terrain. The AWD transporter has a battery
capacity of 20 kWh for an electric range of 80 km. The vehicle can be
charged to full capacity from a regular socket in about seven hours.

electrive.net (In German) [
https://www.electrive.net/2018/07/28/afrika-stromer-acar-soll-2019-in-serie-gefertigt-werden/
] ... [© electrive.com]


https://www.hybridcars.com/acar-is-an-affordable-ev-for-sub-saharan-africa/
aCar Is an Affordable EV for Sub-Saharan Africa - HybridCars.com
Sep 18, 2017 - The aCar is a new EV, with all-wheel drive, rugged
suspension, and designed to improve life in rural Africa. It was designed as
an off-road ...


+
https://www.rushlane.com/vespa-elettrica-launch-plans-india-12275527.html
New Vespa Elettrica launch planned for India – Can electric scooters replace
Honda Activa?
Jul 29, 2018 -10 hours ago  Vespa Elettrica could be Piaggio India's first
EV ... confirmed that Piaggio is ready with electric technology for two- and
four-wheelers, and is currently waiting for the introduction of proper EV
regulations ...
https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/vespa-elettrica-1.jpg




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[EVDL] DC-modified Reva-i> totally futuristic Star Wars inspired look

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.cartoq.com/crazily-modified-dc-design-cars-what-they-look-like-in-real-life-honda-city-to-skoda-superb/
CRAZILY modified DC Design cars & what they look like in real life: Honda
City to Skoda Superb
July 29, 2018  Yatharth Chauhan

[image  
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( dcdesign.co.in modified Reva-i)
]

Indian car design guru Dilip Chhabria (DC) has made some really interesting
looking cars. These cars can easily attract a lot of attention owing to
their rather quirky designs. Here are as many as five such models from DC
...

Reva-i

Who would believe that the car you see in the image above started its life
as a harmless, li’l Reva electric car. DC has given the electric car a Star
Wars inspired design that makes the car look totally futuristic. This
vehicle gets gullwing doors and a motorcycle-like 1+1 seating. Driving this
Revia is definitely a very easy way of grabbing eyeballs. On the inside, you
get a bright red cabin that looks as futuristic as the exterior ...
[© cartoq.com]
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REVAi
The REVAi, known as G-Wiz in the United Kingdom, is a small micro electric
car, made by the Indian manufacturer Reva Electric Car Company between 2001
...


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(public comment)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/oil-pipeline-purpose-is-to-block-electric-cars-1532888351
Oil Pipeline Purpose Is to Block Electric Cars
July 29, 2018  Enbridge Line 3 is a lifeline to an industry struggling to
justify itself ... July 23 editorial “Standing Rock Redux” the editorial
board shows it is stuck in old ways of thinking about oil transportation ...
https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-BE274_3pipel_M_20180719180410.jpg




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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Cor van de Water via EV]

LED prices are much more competitive than you put in your calculation.
Almost every LED that I see can be had for $5 or less.
Best selling on Amazon is a good quality, non-dimming LED for $1.39 when you 
buy a 16 pack ($22.22 for the pack)
https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Non-Dimmable-Frosted-Light-Bulb/dp/B01CAL1EMY/
So LEDs are barely more expensive than household incandescents.
The incandescents that I see are now a small Halogen capsule that looks a lot 
like a G4 pinned bulb, with the pins welded to two metal rods that connect to 
the round screw base of the typical A style bulb such as A19. You can read this 
in the description of this bulb for example:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/EcoSmart-40-Watt-Equivalent-Eco-Incandescent-A19-Soft-White-Dimmable-Light-Bulb-4-Pack-52601/204848836

So, even incandescents are now “40W equivalent” because of federal law, they 
had to increase their efficiency and only Halogens are still allowed for 
regular bulbs (appliance bulbs and some decorative bulbs can still be old style)
I have mostly Philips Slimstyle bulbs throughout my house, they are dimmable 
and consequently they are made to be switched frequently, so whenever not in 
use, they should be turned off. Being a solid state device, a LED has no 
problem switching millions of times per second for years on end – that is how 
you receive your internet data.

Cor.

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From: Roger Stockton via EV
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 11:56 PM
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
Cc: Roger Stockton
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

David Roden wrote:

> Incandescents that are used daily burn out fast, and get replaced with
> modern CF or LED retrofits.

My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on when you 
enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die *faster* than 
incandescents.  If you leave a CFL on continuously, it will last much longer 
than if it is switched on and off frequently.

I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when they are 
switched on and off frequently.  (See, for instance, 
<http://wavelengthlighting.com/blog/2013/12/2/lights-out-the-practical-life-expectancy-of-leds>.)

> For something like this argument to hit home and get them off their
> duffs, they have to able to nod and think, "Sure, that makes sense for
> us."
> Whether it's accurate or not, does "LEDs pay for the EV's energy" really
> do that, do you think?

When I was trying to convince my strata corporation to allow me to charge my EV 
(a conversion), what I found was that many people cannot understand the amount 
of energy that an EV consumes.  They see an extremely large "appliance" and 
assume that it will consume so much electricity that the lights in the building 
will dim when it is plugged in, and the electric bill will go through the roof, 
etc.

So, I think the challenge will be in making them understand/appreciate that the 
energy savings associated with a few lightbulbs can really save enough energy 
to allow an EV to drive some miles each day.

As to the "accurate or not", I think it is not trivial to get an accurate idea 
of the possible savings.  Due to the difficulty buying household incandescents 
now, I tried a couple of apples-to-apples comparisons using Home Depot 
(Canada)'s online catalog:

50W GU10 halogen vs 5W LED:

  - halogen $15.97/6, so $31.94/12; LED $107.88/12.
  - LEDs cost $75.94 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of
759.4kWh of electricity
  - LEDs save 540W/h of use; so it will take 1406.29h, or 281.25 days
(0.77yr) at 5h/day with all 12 LEDs on before any saved electricity
is available for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 225Wh/day,
or about 1mi of range

23W CFL vs 14W LED (both 100W equivalent):

  - CFL $15.97/4, LED $12.97/2, so $25.94/4
  - LEDs cost $9.97 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of 99.7kWh
of electricity
  - LEDs save 36W/h of use; so it will take 2769.4h, or 553.8 days (1.5yr)
at 5h/day with all 4 LEDs on before any saved electricity is available
for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 45Wh/day,
or about 1/5mi of range

While it is fairly unarguable that *any* amount of electricity saved in our 
everyday non-EV use lives will allow us to drive an EV *some* distance without 
increasing our utility bill, I think it is still unclear that there is an 
economic benefit, which is unfortunate since more people understand dollars 
than watt-hours or miles of range ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.
  
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Re: [EVDL] Charging load on the grid (NOT)

[Roger Stockton via EV]

David Roden wrote:

> Incandescents that are used daily burn out fast, and get replaced with
> modern CF or LED retrofits.

My experience is that if you are in the habit of turning a light on when you 
enter a room and off when you leave, that CFLs will die *faster* than 
incandescents.  If you leave a CFL on continuously, it will last much longer 
than if it is switched on and off frequently.

I don't yet know if LED bulbs will outlast CFLs or incandscents when they are 
switched on and off frequently.  (See, for instance, 
.)

> For something like this argument to hit home and get them off their
> duffs, they have to able to nod and think, "Sure, that makes sense for
> us."
> Whether it's accurate or not, does "LEDs pay for the EV's energy" really
> do that, do you think?

When I was trying to convince my strata corporation to allow me to charge my EV 
(a conversion), what I found was that many people cannot understand the amount 
of energy that an EV consumes.  They see an extremely large "appliance" and 
assume that it will consume so much electricity that the lights in the building 
will dim when it is plugged in, and the electric bill will go through the roof, 
etc.

So, I think the challenge will be in making them understand/appreciate that the 
energy savings associated with a few lightbulbs can really save enough energy 
to allow an EV to drive some miles each day.

As to the "accurate or not", I think it is not trivial to get an accurate idea 
of the possible savings.  Due to the difficulty buying household incandescents 
now, I tried a couple of apples-to-apples comparisons using Home Depot 
(Canada)'s online catalog:

50W GU10 halogen vs 5W LED:

  - halogen $15.97/6, so $31.94/12; LED $107.88/12.
  - LEDs cost $75.94 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of
759.4kWh of electricity
  - LEDs save 540W/h of use; so it will take 1406.29h, or 281.25 days
(0.77yr) at 5h/day with all 12 LEDs on before any saved electricity
is available for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 225Wh/day,
or about 1mi of range

23W CFL vs 14W LED (both 100W equivalent):

  - CFL $15.97/4, LED $12.97/2, so $25.94/4
  - LEDs cost $9.97 more; at $0.10/kWh, this is the cost of 99.7kWh
of electricity
  - LEDs save 36W/h of use; so it will take 2769.4h, or 553.8 days (1.5yr)
at 5h/day with all 4 LEDs on before any saved electricity is available
for the EV.
  - after the breakeven point, each LED bulb used 5h/day will save 45Wh/day,
or about 1/5mi of range

While it is fairly unarguable that *any* amount of electricity saved in our 
everyday non-EV use lives will allow us to drive an EV *some* distance without 
increasing our utility bill, I think it is still unclear that there is an 
economic benefit, which is unfortunate since more people understand dollars 
than watt-hours or miles of range ;^>

Cheers,

Roger.
  
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