[EVDL] EVLN: BMW’s first EV attracting 100s of pre-launch orders
i3 is still six months away from launch
http://www.thegreencarwebsite.co.uk/blog/index.php/2013/03/19/bmws-first-electric-vehicle-attracting-100s-of-orders-ahead-launch/
[image] BMW’s first electric vehicle attracting 100s of orders ahead launch
Faye Sunderland Mar 19 2013 Source Headlineauto.co.uk
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BMW already has ‘several hundred’ advance orders for its electric i3
supermini, set to launch later this year.
The carmaker’s first electric car and the first to launch under its i ‘Born
Electric’ brand, the i3 has been clocking up the customer interest since BMW
took it on a world tour last year, taking in Europe, the USA and Japan.
Hinting at the interest in the new model, Global Sales and Marketing chief,
Ian Robertson said: We already have a lot of names and addresses even
though we are still six months away from launch. Project i also has 1.2
million Facebook fans and the interest is a lot higher than we expected.
Ulrich Kranz, senior vice president of BMW i, said the i3 is currently
winter testing in Sweden. He added: We are making final adjustments and
everything is going very well. We are really confident and our expectations
are very high.
Kranz also expects that electric cars will quickly gain popularity,
overcoming range anxiety as battery technology improves and through hybrid
and range-extender technology.
Marketing chief Maximilian Kellner pointed out that last year 92,221
electric vehicles were sold around the world, up from just 4,669 in 2010.
Board chairman Norbert Reithofer told BMW Group’s annual accounts press
conference: To have any chance of addressing the growing ecological
challenges in the world’s metropolitan areas, there’s no getting around the
use of zero-emission drive technology.
In the medium term, megacities have no choice but to encourage the use of
alternative drive systems.
He cited cities such as London with its congestion charge and Beijing where
electric vehicles are already exempt from the allocation procedure for
number plates and from fees.
The BMW i3 features a carbon-fibre reinforced plastic passenger compartment,
an aluminium chassis which the company claims is 250-350kgs lighter than
other EV passenger cars on the road.
It is expected to have a driving range of around 100 miles per charge, which
customers will be able to extend with an optional range extending petrol
engine.
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BMW's first electric vehicle attracting 100s of orders ahead launch. BMW
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BMW announces advanced orders for i3 electric vehicle
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BMW presses ahead with 'e-cars'
MUNICH - BMW Group pins high hopes on its electric vehicle series. “Already,
the first pre-production BMW i3s rolled off the assembly line in Leipzig in
January,” Norbert Reithofer said Tuesday, during the group’s …
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BMW Offers a Simple Cure for EV Range Anxiety: Rentals
BMW made a big splash in the electric vehicle market earlier this month,
when word leaked out that the company’s new i3 EV might come with the offer
of conventional loaner cars for i3 EV owners who need to go on long trips
outside of their battery range.
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[EVDL] EVLN: Your plugin is spying on you you may have given it permission
Infotainment, transponders, EDRs, on-board computers, GPs, OnStar, GM-tap, Carwings, smartphones, Tesla-tap, FasTrak, Snapshot, +more % Disconnect your Production plugin, or drive a conversion % http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/371305/28/Is-your-car-spying-on-you Is your car spying on you? by Chris Woodyard and Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY Mar 24 2013 If it's a recent model, has a fancy infotainment system or is equipped with toll-booth transponders or other units you brought into the car that can monitor your driving, your driving habits or destination could be open to the scrutiny of others. If your car is electric, it's almost surely capable of ratting you out. You may have given your permission, or you may be the last to know. At present, consumers' privacy is regulated when it comes to banking transactions, medical records, phone and Internet use. But data generated by cars, which these days are basically rolling computers, are not. All too often,people don't know it's happening, says Dorothy Glancy, a law professor at Santa Clara University in California who specializes in transportation and privacy. People should be able to decide whether they want it collected or not. Try as you may to protect your privacy while driving, it's only going to get harder. The government is about to mandate installation of black-box accident recorders, a dumbed-down version of those found on airliners - that remember all the critical details leading up to a crash, from your car's speed to whether you were wearing a seat belt. The devices are already built into 96% of new cars. Plus, automakers are on their way to developing connected cars that constantly crank out information about themselves to make driving easier and collisions preventable. Privacy becomes an issue when data end up in the hands of outsiders whom motorists don't suspect have access to it, or when the data are repurposed for reasons beyond those for which they were originally intended. Though the information is being collected with the best of intentions - safer cars or to provide drivers with more services and conveniences - there is always the danger it can end up in lawsuits, or in the hands of the government or with marketers looking to drum up business from passing motorists. Courts have started to grapple with the issues of whether - or when - data from black-box recorders are admissible as evidence, or whether drivers can be tracked from the signals their cars emit. While the law is murky, the issue couldn't be more clear cut for some. You do have a right to privacy in your car, says Khaliah Barnes, administrative law counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, at least when it comes to data from automotive black boxes and infotainment systems. The chief threats: • Electronic data recorders, or EDRs. Known as black boxes for short, the devices have fairly straightforward capabilities. If the car's air bags deploy in a crash, the device snaps into action. It records a vehicle's speed, status of air bags, braking, acceleration. It also detects the severity of an accident and whether passengers had their seat belts buckled. EDRs make cars safer by providing critical information about crashes, but the data are increasingly being used by attorneys to make points in lawsuits involving drivers. It's far more reliable than eyewitness accounts, says Wolfgang Mueller, a Berkley, Mich., plaintiff lawyer and former Chrysler engineer. It's hard for the carmakers to dispute their own data. Others aren't so sure. California plaintiff lawyer Don Slavik says no one should assume black boxes are dispassionate and accurate witnesses. He said he's had numerous downloads that don't comport with physical reality. Consider the case of Kathryn Niemeyer, a Nevada woman who sued Ford Motor when her husband, Anthony, died after his car crashed into a tree in Las Vegas. Her lawyers argued the air bag should have gone off and saved him, but they didn't want the black box data downloaded from the car's EDR admitted into evidence. Their contention: The data constitute unreliable hearsay, contain multiple errors and aren't verifiable. The court agreed, but Niemeyer lost her case anyway in U.S. District Court. • Infotainment systems and on-board computers. The latest in-car entertainment systems provide GPS navigation and instant two-way communication to motorists. But they can also be used to relay information about a car's systems to automakers. And that can invade consumers' privacy, as General Motors found out last year. OnStar, the General Motors unit that provides in-car communication at the push of a button, proposed a change in its customer agreement last year. The move would have allowed GM to sell information that it collects not only from current subscribers but from cars of customers whose subscriptions to OnStar had ended. It would have been a sweeping change. Free OnStar - for six months up to three years, depending on the model -
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification expert
Hi, I do hope you all aren't expecting sensible answers to these very valid questions. That Ford, possibly (?) the biggest and most successful auto manufacturer in the history of the world, can't be bothered to design and manufacture a ground-up EV - unlike a half dozen much lesser companies - speaks volumes for its attitude to EVs in general. It just isn't interested and this may just lead to its ultimate demise. MW On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:40, Ed Blackmond wrote: 15) Why don't you sell the car and lease the battery pack? That would make the car less expensive than the ICE version and the monthly lease payment for the battery pack would be less than what people pay for gas in the electric. You could also offer different capacity battery packs for people with different needs. Ed On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:45 AM, tomw tomofreno2...@yahoo.com wrote: 11) Why does your electric Focus sell for about $7k more than a Leaf with a 6.6kW charger? Did the main difference, battery cooling/heating, actually add $7k to the cost? 12) When you quote vehicle range why don't you give the range at two different speeds, say 35 mph and 65 mph on level ground, rather than some number that most people will not obtain in their actual use, and have no way to translate to estimate what they will get in actual use? 13) Why do you not give energy consumption in energy/mile at 2 or 3 different speeds rather than the fairly useless mpge? 14) Why don't you offer a lower cost model without all the electronic geegaws for those of us that don't care about them? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/68698919/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
Well, over here in the UK, I'm beginning to feel rather left out in the cold by Tesla. Still no London showroom (the last one having closed over a year ago) and still no pricing on the UK version web site. Nothing new on the Supercharger front either. Perhaps they don't think there's a market here... We seem to have been completely left out of the European Model S tour as well - either that or Tesla aren't doing a very good job of keeping potential customers abreast of developments. MW On 24 Mar 2013, at 15:07, Willie McKemie wrote: I was recently pointed to this: http://www.teslamotors.com/models/walkthrough A ~30 minute video that does some explaining on Tesla operation. All new to me. I am VERY thrilled and impressed! I am struck about how easy and straightforward the charging set up is. Just plug it into a dryer outlet. Or, use one of those silly J1772 thingies with a very small adapter. Same connection on the car is used to connect to a supercharger. Elsewhere on the Tesla site mention is made of supercharger network plans. Supposedly more coming, including Texas, in the next few months. I wonder if anyone has considered how a supercharger station might be used on a conversion? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a3afb5b6/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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I agree with Martin here. The UK has one of the largest new car markets in Europe, highest fuel prices and very pro EV use as can be attested by all the charge points being installed (or promised anyway). Until recently, I had a deposit on one of the first of the S series cars but circumstances as well as having two of my own built EV's required me to cancel it. It is a lovely car though as is the Roadster and is streets ahead of the competition. Considering we had one of the first overseas Tesla showrooms, I wonder why we have now been put into the slow lane? Russ www.evalbum.com/1454 Lotus Elise EV Vortex EV -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/2c644945/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
On 13-03-25 04:36 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote: We seem to have been completely left out of the European Model S tour as well - either that or Tesla aren't doing a very good job of keeping potential customers abreast of developments. It is highly likely that you guys are getting left out because they don't want to produce a right-hand-drive model right now. According to an article in Car Magazine (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Tesla-Model-S-2013-CAR-review/) they will be back in the summer, but only with the most expensive model. -- *Paul Wujek* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/4dc0acb3/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
I thought they were already selling in Japan? MW On 25 Mar 2013, at 11:45, Paul Wujek wrote: On 13-03-25 04:36 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote: We seem to have been completely left out of the European Model S tour as well - either that or Tesla aren't doing a very good job of keeping potential customers abreast of developments. It is highly likely that you guys are getting left out because they don't want to produce a right-hand-drive model right now. According to an article in Car Magazine (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Tesla-Model-S-2013-CAR-review/) they will be back in the summer, but only with the most expensive model. -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/39e4d2af/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 08:19:00AM -0400, Paul Wujek wrote: On 13-03-25 08:06 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote: I thought they were already selling in Japan? MW I guess you guys rate lower on their priority list. In a similar vein it says on their web site this morning that the starting price is USD $54,500, I was at the closest dealer last week (Toronto - Yorkdale) where they gave me the entry level price at CAD $67,500. People in Canada are screwed once again. Without researching, I'll mention that the quoted prices may or may not include incentives. $7.5k US Federal, possibly various local, probably none in Canada? -- Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 250 days 20 hours 44 minutes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
in Ontario we get a $8500 back if you buy one At 3/25/2013 08:24 AM, you wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 08:19:00AM -0400, Paul Wujek wrote: On 13-03-25 08:06 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote: I thought they were already selling in Japan? MW I guess you guys rate lower on their priority list. In a similar vein it says on their web site this morning that the starting price is USD $54,500, I was at the closest dealer last week (Toronto - Yorkdale) where they gave me the entry level price at CAD $67,500. People in Canada are screwed once again. Without researching, I'll mention that the quoted prices may or may not include incentives. $7.5k US Federal, possibly various local, probably none in Canada? -- Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog! http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995 Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 250 days 20 hours 44 minutes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Electric motor rare earth recycling.
Can anyone tell me if recycling the rare earth metals in electric vehicles (like Neodymium) is a hazard or unfeasible? Could anti EV forces use this against the use or manufacture of electric vehicles. Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
Hmmm ... Now I am confused by UK evdl members comments.
Whenever I have perused the Tesla forum, the UK discussions have been
quite lively, meaning interest is keen. And Tesla does lurk listen-to
that forum. And their have been several newswires in the past of Tesla
adventures through Canada.
Using
http://www.teslamotors.com/findus
selecting Europe, it shows a UK London showroom in Maidenhead (50km west
of London)
http://www.teslamotors.com/maidenhead
? Is what is showing on the Tesla site not true ?
I also found a UK auto sales website that is selling new Tesla S, and
used Roadsters
http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/tesla/tesla_model_s_hatchback/category_14874.jhtml
Using again
http://www.teslamotors.com/findus
and selecting Asia, it shows one in Aoyama, Japan, and one in Hong Kong,
China.
But selecting North America, it does not show a Canadian showroom. A
search on the page for Canada , states:
NEAREST TESLA STORE
Bellevue, WA
... which is near Seattle, WA but ~230km south of Vancouver, BC,
Canada. Seems like Canada is SOL and has to traipse into the U.S. to
get their Tesla fix. Tesla drivers will go to great lengths to get what
they want/need.
Yup, the Tesla supercharger stations are going in, but it is a slow go
(and likely a bit slower since losing boat-load of money with the
NYTimes attack). There are some Tesla supercharger stations on U.S. east
and west coast, but they are not linked/hooked up yet. Its good that
there are adapter cables for j1772.
I also found a map of where Tesla drivers would 'like' Tesla
superchargers put in
http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=339139
If that map is an accurate indicator of driver interest, then there is
more interest in Canada for stations that in the UK.
Wow, there sure are a lot of Norway and Sweden desires for Tesla
Superstations.
? Tesla, got your ears on ?
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 01:36 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote:
Well, over here in the UK, I'm beginning to feel rather left out in the
cold by Tesla. Still no London showroom (the last one having closed over
a year ago) and still no pricing on the UK version web site. Nothing new
on the Supercharger front either. Perhaps they don't think there's a
market here... We seem to have been completely left out of the European
Model S tour as well - either that or Tesla aren't doing a very good job
of keeping potential customers abreast of developments.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification expert
12) When you quote vehicle range why don't you give the range at two different speeds, say 35 mph and 65 mph on level ground, rather than some number that most people will not obtain in their actual use, and have no way to translate to estimate what they will get in actual use? A single number should suffice. For example, 100 miles at 60 mph. It is not too hard to figure that if you drive 80 mph you will get less miles and if you drive 45 mph you will get more. 13) Why do you not give energy consumption in energy/mile at 2 or 3 different speeds rather than the fairly useless mpge? This is all about psychology. Most people are not hip to math or unit calculations. The proper units should be miles per kwh, since that is how you are billed by the utility company. The problem is people are used to a big number. If their current car gets 30 (mpg), then buying a car that gets 3 mpk (miles per kilowatt-hour) seems like a step down. So instead they come up with the goofy and meaningless mpge so they can spout a big number like 120mpge. Personally, I find watts/mile a bit like measuring gas in teaspoons/mile. Nonsensical since you don't buy gas in teaspoons. You have to do a bunch of equations to come up with how much it actually cost. Since everyone is already billed in kwh, saying 3 mpk makes sense if your electric bill is $0.10/kwh. You would know it costs $1 to go 30 miles while your regular (30mpg) car costs almost $4 to go the same distance. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Martin WINLOW m...@winlow.co.uk wrote: Hi, I do hope you all aren't expecting sensible answers to these very valid questions. That Ford, possibly (?) the biggest and most successful auto manufacturer in the history of the world, can't be bothered to design and manufacture a ground-up EV - unlike a half dozen much lesser companies - speaks volumes for its attitude to EVs in general. It just isn't interested and this may just lead to its ultimate demise. On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:40, Ed Blackmond wrote: 15) Why don't you sell the car and lease the battery pack? That would make the car less expensive than the ICE version and the monthly lease payment for the battery pack would be less than what people pay for gas in the electric. You could also offer different capacity battery packs for people with different needs. Ed On Mar 24, 2013, at 6:45 AM, tomw tomofreno2...@yahoo.com wrote: 11) Why does your electric Focus sell for about $7k more than a Leaf with a 6.6kW charger? Did the main difference, battery cooling/heating, actually add $7k to the cost? 12) When you quote vehicle range why don't you give the range at two different speeds, say 35 mph and 65 mph on level ground, rather than some number that most people will not obtain in their actual use, and have no way to translate to estimate what they will get in actual use? 13) Why do you not give energy consumption in energy/mile at 2 or 3 different speeds rather than the fairly useless mpge? 14) Why don't you offer a lower cost model without all the electronic geegaws for those of us that don't care about them? -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/68698919/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Marcus Reddish *North Valley Systems LLC* Stevensville, Montana 406-360-8628 northvalleyev.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/e7d63401/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Mechanic / Vehicle Electronics and Systems Integrator (Culver City) Volunteer
ZERO SOUTH Production IMPORTANT NOTE: This is a 100% volunteer, non-profit film production. We have 30+ volunteers and the work we do is important. No salary is offered however numerous benefits are provided. Please review this solicitation thoroughly--especially the committment term--and consider strongly whether you have the time before responding. All responses must include your resume. Job Title Mechanic / Vehicle Electronics and Systems Integrator Production ZERO SOUTH Location Culver City, CA Department(s) Vehicle Integration Team Reports to Executive Producer Hours Monday 9am-6pm, Tues 11am-11pm, Wed through Friday 9am-6pm Duration Eight months Wage Volunteer, no salary, see benefits below We are an equal opportunity employer that employs individuals based on job-related qualifications regardless of race, religion, sex, national origin, age, disabilities, or any basis prohibited by law. Interested candidates should respond with resume. Smokers need not apply. Job summary Convert two Hummer H1 vehicles to series hybrid electric with Biodiesel generator, dual electric traction motors, dual lithium ion battery packs and tracks for Antarctic Expedition/Documentary. Summary of essential job functions Responsible for electric systems and components. All major electrical components for Vehicle 1 have been integrated. Remaining work includes installation of parts such as pumps, heaters, and fans, and design and installation of vehicle controller and power management system. Candidate will assist to bring all systems to 100% operation and test for durability. Will work under supervision of part-time experienced EV engineers. Will build and install duplicate systems for Vehicle 2 from existing documentation. Minimum requirements 4 or more years experience working as a general vehicle mechanic. Strong understanding of 12 and 24-volt vehicle electrical systems. EE degree preferred but not required. Electric Vehicle engineering experience a plus. Abilities Required Experienced mechanic possessing substantial experience with electronics or electric vehicles. You are serious, a self starter, consistent and committed. You are organized and the type of person who shows up on time and works your hours. You are able to lead a team, create and maintain schedules, task lists and delegate and follow up on tasks to ensure they are done correctly. You are goal oriented, like to complete tasks on time and are able to maintain a focused and fun work environment. You work with minimal supervision, are a creative thinker and problem solver, can read schematic diagrams, can install vehicle electrical wiring, mechanical assemblies and electronics. You are good working with your hands and tools and can perform some small electro-mechanical fabrication. Benefits Career claim: You helped build the first hybrid vehicles to travel to the South Pole. Appear in televised PTV2 build show. Gain electric vehicle experience. Your name listed in film credits among production (vehicle) staff. Letter of recommendation from non-profit executive director. Great location, Culver City. Great team. Work among an all-star cast of mechanics and engineers. Perform meaningful work for a film production that: Promotes understanding of Polar Regions. Helps usher an age of zero and low-emission vehicles. Takes new technology into extreme environments. Mythbusts consumer acceptance barriers for electric vehicles range anxiety plug-in behaviors batteries and cold Electric only works for small or unsafe vehicles What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for the world remains. - Albert Pines .Location: Culver City .Compensation: Volunteer, no salary, see benefits listed in posting .This is at a non-profit organization. .Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. .Please, no phone calls about this job! . Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electric motor rare earth recycling.
There are several good hits that come up if you use a search engine
using the key words recycle Neodymium
I have read several newswires on recycling rare earths in the past.
Because of the lack of evdl reader interest, I do not post many of
these, but a search of the archive has a few:
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It is feasible to recycle those rare earth metals and it will be done
because of the limited supply on earth, but it will not be cheap on a
small scale. Items with rare earth metals are not just EV components.
They are used in several products, including hard disc drives. These
items are being separated and stored, so that the recycling can be done
on a larger scale.
Toyota along with other Japanese Automakers have reduced their use of
rare earth metals in their hybrid, pih and EV components, while
recycling as much as they can, and are still working on eliminating the
death grip China has on the supply (there is contention between China
and Japan over many things, and long held bad-memories from the past).
China is the real threat, not the way-too-obvious negative/anti-plugin
media outlets. Some pro-plugin media outlets are now putting out
newswires attacking how wrong/hidden-agenda those anti-plugin media
outlets are (plugin wars if you will).
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Can anyone tell me if recycling the rare earth metals in electric
vehicles (like
Neodymium) is a hazard or unfeasible? Could anti EV forces use this
against the
use or manufacture of electric vehicles. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Save, Best J1772 deal, adding a public level-2 charging ability
Hi Jerry,
Here's the spec:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772
That tells you what size resistors to use.
-corbin
On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:36 PM, jerry freedomev freedo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Corbin and All,
I rather like flipping switches so
the problems mentioned are not much for me to handle. Does anyone know where
a diagram of hooking up and what size resistor, diode to use?
Those who know me know I always
like the most simple, least likely to fail, fast to repair, lowest cost.
I'll incorporate a timer in it and maybe a latching relay to cut off at 85%
full charge voltage.
Thanks,
Jerry
Dycus
From: corbin dunn cor...@corbinstreehouse.com
To: jerry freedomev freedo...@yahoo.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Save, Best J1772 deal, adding a public level-2 charging
ability
On Mar 23, 2013, at 9:05 AM, jerry freedomev freedo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Bruce, Tom and All,
Thanks for the help guys.
Just what I was looking for.
So I assume the
resistor/diode handshake trick is no longer good enough?
It is still sufficient, however, if you pull the plug while charging your car
won't sense that and stop drawing power. If you implement the J1772 right,
you should be able to stop the charger from charging as soon as the user goes
to unplug by detecting when the user pushes down on the button to pull out
the plug. IMHO, this is much safer than the designs that require more manual
work, such as stopping your charger (or turning down the power that it is
drawing), flipping a switch to change the resistor/diode combo (turning off
the EVSE contactor), and then unplugging. Why do all that when you can write
some software to do it?
corbin
For Tom my new EV is
powered by an old Citi-car motor , charged with the Citi-car charger that I
used in the 3wh Ewoody . Or as Bob Rice use to call, the Lumberghini ;^P
I'll probably put the
inlet under the body in front and an Anderson 50amp DC connector in the rear
for 120vac charging and the range extender if fast charging isn't available.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter bruce...@operamail.com
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Best J1772 deal, adding a public level-2 charging ability
I purchased the J1772 inlet and vehicle-side control board from Modular
EV Power for about $150.
[ref
http://modularevpower.com/
Modular EV Power
]
This looks like what Tom bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/J1772-UL-75-Amp-Vehicle-Inlet-AND-AVC2-module-/251244113764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a7f50ef64
J1772 UL 75 Amp Vehicle Inlet AND AVC2 module
Jerry mentioned that he wants to keep cost down, so perhaps nice looking
door, a ugly but functional design would be to mount the inlet on a
strong part of the body, and just use a cheap dust cap to protect the
protruding j1772 inlet when not plugged in
http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=559
http://www.amazon.com/QC-101-Fernco-1-1-Flexible-Cap/dp/B002KHZCMC
QC-101 Fernco 1-1/2 Flexible Cap
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2013, at 09:48 PM, Tom Keenan wrote:
To add J1772 Level 2 capability to my old Citicar, it required three
items - a 240v charger, a J1772 inlet, and a vehicle-side control board.
Since I also wanted to use 120v at times, the charger needed to be
multi-volt capable. I used an ElCon 2500 charger (2.5 kW, 90 to 250v
input). This charger was about $700.
I purchased the J1772 inlet and vehicle-side control board from Modular
EV Power for about $150.
Wiring the charger to the inlet is straightforward. Wiring the control
board to the vehicle / J1772 inlet is easy as well. Hardest part is
deciding where to mount the inlet, and making some sort of door to cover
it when not in use.
The Citicar went from a 120v only, 1.4 kW charger (about 4 miles of
charge per hour of charging) to a 120 - 240v, J1772 capable 2.5 kW
charging system (about 10 miles of charge per hour of charging).
I'll be doing much the
[EVDL] Electric motor rare earth recycling.
funny you can have the big supply we have here in Canada
this ore came out of the tailings of the uranium mines here in Canada
this picture does not do it any justice but they truck the tailings
to the port load on a boat and ship it to china
http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2010/9/27/410007-128560795496449-Robert-Kientz_origin.jpg
At 3/25/2013 11:11 AM, you wrote:
There are several good hits that come up if you use a search engine
using the key words recycle Neodymium
I have read several newswires on recycling rare earths in the past.
Because of the lack of evdl reader interest, I do not post many of
these, but a search of the archive has a few:
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=recycle+rare+motordays=0sort=date
It is feasible to recycle those rare earth metals and it will be done
because of the limited supply on earth, but it will not be cheap on a
small scale. Items with rare earth metals are not just EV components.
They are used in several products, including hard disc drives. These
items are being separated and stored, so that the recycling can be done
on a larger scale.
Toyota along with other Japanese Automakers have reduced their use of
rare earth metals in their hybrid, pih and EV components, while
recycling as much as they can, and are still working on eliminating the
death grip China has on the supply (there is contention between China
and Japan over many things, and long held bad-memories from the past).
China is the real threat, not the way-too-obvious negative/anti-plugin
media outlets. Some pro-plugin media outlets are now putting out
newswires attacking how wrong/hidden-agenda those anti-plugin media
outlets are (plugin wars if you will).
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 07:18 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Can anyone tell me if recycling the rare earth metals in electric
vehicles (like
Neodymium) is a hazard or unfeasible? Could anti EV forces use this
against the
use or manufacture of electric vehicles. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Electric motor rare earth recycling.
China is the real threat..
Riight. Just like Scotland is a threat to the bagpipe industry since
they make most of the bagpipes...
We have just as much Neodymium here, we just choose not to manufacture it.
Neodymium is just as plentiful as copper. Some OEM's likely use less
efficient and less powerful induction motors based on price, not ethics.
Others, wanting the best motor, use magnets.
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter
bruce...@operamail.com wrote:
There are several good hits that come up if you use a search engine
using the key words recycle Neodymium
I have read several newswires on recycling rare earths in the past.
Because of the lack of evdl reader interest, I do not post many of
these, but a search of the archive has a few:
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_pagenode=413529query=recycle+rare+motordays=0sort=date
It is feasible to recycle those rare earth metals and it will be done
because of the limited supply on earth, but it will not be cheap on a
small scale. Items with rare earth metals are not just EV components.
They are used in several products, including hard disc drives. These
items are being separated and stored, so that the recycling can be done
on a larger scale.
Toyota along with other Japanese Automakers have reduced their use of
rare earth metals in their hybrid, pih and EV components, while
recycling as much as they can, and are still working on eliminating the
death grip China has on the supply (there is contention between China
and Japan over many things, and long held bad-memories from the past).
China is the real threat, not the way-too-obvious negative/anti-plugin
media outlets. Some pro-plugin media outlets are now putting out
newswires attacking how wrong/hidden-agenda those anti-plugin media
outlets are (plugin wars if you will).
{brucedp.150m.com}
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 07:18 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
Can anyone tell me if recycling the rare earth metals in electric
vehicles (like
Neodymium) is a hazard or unfeasible? Could anti EV forces use this
against the
use or manufacture of electric vehicles. Lawrence Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla S
Oh, we're keen alright... If pricing was transparent (not to mention evident)
and a 60kW, RHD model available within the next 6 months - *guaranteed* - I'd
have my deposit down in a flash! MW
On 25 Mar 2013, at 14:49, Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote:
Hmmm ... Now I am confused by UK evdl members comments.
Whenever I have perused the Tesla forum, the UK discussions have been
quite lively, meaning interest is keen. And Tesla does lurk listen-to
that forum. And their have been several newswires in the past of Tesla
adventures through Canada.
Using
http://www.teslamotors.com/findus
selecting Europe, it shows a UK London showroom in Maidenhead (50km west
of London)
http://www.teslamotors.com/maidenhead
? Is what is showing on the Tesla site not true ?
I also found a UK auto sales website that is selling new Tesla S, and
used Roadsters
http://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/tesla/tesla_model_s_hatchback/category_14874.jhtml
Using again
http://www.teslamotors.com/findus
and selecting Asia, it shows one in Aoyama, Japan, and one in Hong Kong,
China.
But selecting North America, it does not show a Canadian showroom. A
search on the page for Canada , states:
NEAREST TESLA STORE
Bellevue, WA
... which is near Seattle, WA but ~230km south of Vancouver, BC,
Canada. Seems like Canada is SOL and has to traipse into the U.S. to
get their Tesla fix. Tesla drivers will go to great lengths to get what
they want/need.
Yup, the Tesla supercharger stations are going in, but it is a slow go
(and likely a bit slower since losing boat-load of money with the
NYTimes attack). There are some Tesla supercharger stations on U.S. east
and west coast, but they are not linked/hooked up yet. Its good that
there are adapter cables for j1772.
I also found a map of where Tesla drivers would 'like' Tesla
superchargers put in
http://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=339139
If that map is an accurate indicator of driver interest, then there is
more interest in Canada for stations that in the UK.
Wow, there sure are a lot of Norway and Sweden desires for Tesla
Superstations.
? Tesla, got your ears on ?
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013, at 01:36 AM, Martin WINLOW wrote:
Well, over here in the UK, I'm beginning to feel rather left out in the
cold by Tesla. Still no London showroom (the last one having closed over
a year ago) and still no pricing on the UK version web site. Nothing new
on the Supercharger front either. Perhaps they don't think there's a
market here... We seem to have been completely left out of the European
Model S tour as well - either that or Tesla aren't doing a very good job
of keeping potential customers abreast of developments.
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[EVDL] Core material for electric motors, transformers etc
I was looking at a large transformer i was scrapping out the other day and I got curious as to what would be the best material for electromagnetic cores and am not finding much on the net. This transformer for instance has the typical stacked laminations that appear to be thin sheet steel (don't really know the actual alloy or material). Now I always thought that soft iron would be the best for a core. And then I was wondering if sintered iron in thin sheet form would be a better choice. I got to looking for sintered iron sheet stock (say .030) on the net and soft magnetic iron sheet stock of the same thickness (thought it would be interesting to experiment with both) and am just not finding a source. Have to believe this is something that is already made as a stock standard material for some industry, just not finding it. I have looked at Pacific Sintered Metals and at GNK and see that they both offer soft magnetic sintered metal products but I have yet to hear from them if they manufacture stock sheet material or were to get a small quantity for testing. So the question to my learned friends here are : 1. Would sintered iron be better than sheet iron for an electromagnetic core and 2. Anyone have a source recommendation for sample quantities of thin sheets of either or both? Thanks Dach. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a22a6f15/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification
I find watts/mile a bit like measuring gas in teaspoons/mile. Watts per mile is kind of like horsepower per furlong. It's a meaningless unit, because Watts measure power, not energy. You probably mean watt-HOURS per mile - which, for better or worse, is still something of a standard in the EV hobbyist community, even if the automakers don't use it. I think the main objective should be to use a standard measurement. That way potential customers can compare EVs' efficiency, as they can with ICEVs (the few who care, that is). I like to use watt-hours per mile as it gives a more accurate measure of efficiency, but then I'm detail oriented. One of my EV's gets 426 whr per mile and another gets 185. It's no harder to calculate than saying 2.35 miles per Kw or 5.4 miles per Kw. If you round it too much it loses a lot of accuracy, and we're not talking 400 miles on a fillup either. Everyone knows what gasoline costs per gallon but few ICE drivers know what they pay per KWH for electricity. It certainly gets some of them to thinking after they get to the Wow part of the conversation when educating someone on the economics of driving electric. Jim - Glendale, AZ (where electricity is 4.125 cents per Kw after 9pm) www.evalbum.com/1703 mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification
Jim wrote: I like to use watt-hours per mile as it gives a more accurate measure of efficiency, but then I'm detail oriented. Yes, Wh/mi is a sensible way to measure EV energy use, though mi/kWh is probably an easier way to express it for those used to mi/gal fuel consumption values (mi/kWh and mi/gal both express energy use in terms of how far one can travel on a certain amount of energy, and this makes it easier, I think, for people to get the point once they substitute the $ cost of a gallon of fuel or kWh of electricity into the expression ;^) One of my EV's gets 426 whr per mile and another gets 185. One of the issues with Wh/mi or mi/kWh is that the value might be measured at the AC outlet or from the battery, and this can lead to confusion when comparing values from one source to those from another. From an operating cost perspective, it is the Wh/mi or mi/kWh from the AC outlet that people need to appreciate the difference in EV and ICE operating costs. It's no harder to calculate than saying 2.35 miles per Kw or 5.4 miles per Kw. You need to be careful with units mi per kW is meaningless; the ICE equivalent is mi per hp. It is mi per kWh that makes sense. Everyone knows what gasoline costs per gallon but few ICE drivers know what they pay per KWH for electricity. It certainly gets some of them to thinking after they get to the Wow part of the conversation when educating someone on the economics of driving electric. Jim - Glendale, AZ (where electricity is 4.125 cents per Kw after 9pm) (where I'm sure electricity is actually priced by the kWh at all times of day ;^) Cheers, Roger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification
Since Wh/mi is not only a logical measurements (how many 'pounds' of electrical energy does it take to move my car this distance - comparable to volume of petrol) it is also speed-dependent: you can trade speed (more time invested) against more electrical energy invested, for example I know that my pack holds a theoretical 30kWh of which about half is available due to the rate of discharge of the lead-acids (Peukert). At freeway speeds, my inefficient truck uses more than 600 Wh/mi so I can barely get 25 mi range, but if I use secondary roads and the consumption drops to below 500 Wh/mi (still very inefficient due to the automatic transmission that converts a lot of useful energy into heat) then I can eek out a range of 30 miles if I really need to. (It also helps that Peukert will back off at lower rate of discharge, so I can use a little more of the stored energy in my batteries) Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Roger Stockton Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 3:42 PM To: jwo...@doitnow.com; Electric Vehicle DiscussionList Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification Jim wrote: I like to use watt-hours per mile as it gives a more accurate measure of efficiency, but then I'm detail oriented. Yes, Wh/mi is a sensible way to measure EV energy use, though mi/kWh is probably an easier way to express it for those used to mi/gal fuel consumption values (mi/kWh and mi/gal both express energy use in terms of how far one can travel on a certain amount of energy, and this makes it easier, I think, for people to get the point once they substitute the $ cost of a gallon of fuel or kWh of electricity into the expression ;^) One of my EV's gets 426 whr per mile and another gets 185. One of the issues with Wh/mi or mi/kWh is that the value might be measured at the AC outlet or from the battery, and this can lead to confusion when comparing values from one source to those from another. From an operating cost perspective, it is the Wh/mi or mi/kWh from the AC outlet that people need to appreciate the difference in EV and ICE operating costs. It's no harder to calculate than saying 2.35 miles per Kw or 5.4 miles per Kw. You need to be careful with units mi per kW is meaningless; the ICE equivalent is mi per hp. It is mi per kWh that makes sense. Everyone knows what gasoline costs per gallon but few ICE drivers know what they pay per KWH for electricity. It certainly gets some of them to thinking after they get to the Wow part of the conversation when educating someone on the economics of driving electric. Jim - Glendale, AZ (where electricity is 4.125 cents per Kw after 9pm) (where I'm sure electricity is actually priced by the kWh at all times of day ;^) Cheers, Roger. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments
Did you set it the same as your other NG3? Are you sure both are programmed the same in the first place? I had my NG3 reprogrammed for my LiFePO4 pack and it looks the same as it did before I sent it in so just looking at the setting won't necessarily tell you anything about another NG3. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote: Good evening, I installed my second Zivan NG3 in parallel this weekend with partial success. While doing the install, I think I managed to change an adjustment on the rear of the original charger. It is in the round hole in the rear of the charger. ( just above temp. probe socket ) I have no idea where this adjustment should be? Can anyone lead me in the direction to know what is this adjustment and how it should be set? I believe I changed this adjustment because the end of the charge was different. It did not go into the float stage as normal. As always, Thanks in advance, Al -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/e87d348c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com Nokia Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments
David, What is your pack size, voltage? Al - Original Message - From: David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:28:08 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments Did you set it the same as your other NG3? Are you sure both are programmed the same in the first place? I had my NG3 reprogrammed for my LiFePO4 pack and it looks the same as it did before I sent it in so just looking at the setting won't necessarily tell you anything about another NG3. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote: Good evening, I installed my second Zivan NG3 in parallel this weekend with partial success. While doing the install, I think I managed to change an adjustment on the rear of the original charger. It is in the round hole in the rear of the charger. ( just above temp. probe socket ) I have no idea where this adjustment should be? Can anyone lead me in the direction to know what is this adjustment and how it should be set? I believe I changed this adjustment because the end of the charge was different. It did not go into the float stage as normal. As always, Thanks in advance, Al -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/e87d348c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com Nokia Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a2e7aadf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments
I have a 20 cell 200Ah pack. Since my older Zivan's can't terminate charge based on voltage AND current but only taper to nearly 0A I have found that charging to 3.455V/cell comes out very close to 100%SOC with a top balanced pack. I am not using any cell level BMS and haven't seen any drift in the last 15 months. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote: David, What is your pack size, voltage? Al - Original Message - From: David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:28:08 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zivan NG3 rear adjustments Did you set it the same as your other NG3? Are you sure both are programmed the same in the first place? I had my NG3 reprogrammed for my LiFePO4 pack and it looks the same as it did before I sent it in so just looking at the setting won't necessarily tell you anything about another NG3. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:31 AM, a.swackham...@comcast.net wrote: Good evening, I installed my second Zivan NG3 in parallel this weekend with partial success. While doing the install, I think I managed to change an adjustment on the rear of the original charger. It is in the round hole in the rear of the charger. ( just above temp. probe socket ) I have no idea where this adjustment should be? Can anyone lead me in the direction to know what is this adjustment and how it should be set? I believe I changed this adjustment because the end of the charge was different. It did not go into the float stage as normal. As always, Thanks in advance, Al -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/e87d348c/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com Nokia Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a2e7aadf/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- David D. Nelson http://evalbum.com/1328 http://www.levforum.com Nokia Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Electric motor rare earth recycling.
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:45 PM, EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net wrote: In any case, many manufacturers are looking for alternatives. This is probably a good thing. I love efficiency. However, I also recognize that it's better to have a slightly less efficient EV that lots of folks can afford, than a more efficient one that doesn't sell because it's too expensive. I frequently hear/read about PM motors being more efficient, but then someone points out that a simple efficiency number is not the whole story. They have very high peak efficiency, but at low power it drops off - to a lower figure than a wound field motor at low power. Since most EV motors operate at a power level well below peak, your overall efficiency might be higher than a PM motor. Add the fact that wound field motors can make monster low end torque, and I'm not too worried about the high cost of rare earths for motors. Chris LeSled is for sale! http://www.evalbum.com/274 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/8594fbf9/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Core material for electric motors, transformers etc
silica steel oriented and non oriented mumetal expensive and pain in the ass its restricted At 25/03/2013 04:00 PM, you wrote: I was looking at a large transformer i was scrapping out the other day and I got curious as to what would be the best material for electromagnetic cores and am not finding much on the net. This transformer for instance has the typical stacked laminations that appear to be thin sheet steel (don't really know the actual alloy or material). Now I always thought that soft iron would be the best for a core. And then I was wondering if sintered iron in thin sheet form would be a better choice. I got to looking for sintered iron sheet stock (say .030) on the net and soft magnetic iron sheet stock of the same thickness (thought it would be interesting to experiment with both) and am just not finding a source. Have to believe this is something that is already made as a stock standard material for some industry, just not finding it. I have looked at Pacific Sintered Metals and at GNK and see that they both offer soft magnetic sintered metal products but I have yet to hear from them if they manufacture stock sheet material or were to get a small quantity for testing. So the question to my learned friends here are : 1. Would sintered iron be better than sheet iron for an electromagnetic core and 2. Anyone have a source recommendation for sample quantities of thin sheets of either or both? Thanks Dach. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/a22a6f15/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification expert
Tonight I came across a newswire that is not EV related, but is related to
what Ford is interested in spending their time on
http://www.worldcarfans.com/113032555649/ford-apologies-for-figo-ads-in-india
Ford apologies for Figo ads in India
See the three ad images Ford is apologizing about:
http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4Date=20130325Category=BUSINESS01ArtNo=130325015Ref=ARFord-India-apologizes-over-Berlusconi-bondage-ad
http://s1.aecdn.com/images/news/gallery/ford-figo-leaves-its-worries-behind-by-tying-people-up_1.jpg
http://static.stuff.co.nz/1364183341/813/8469813.jpg
Now if only Ford redirected that bad-behavior to selling EVs.
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Re: EVLN: 10 questions for a Ford electrification expert
Mar 25, 2013; 1:31am — by Martin WINLOW Martin WINLOW
I do hope you all aren't expecting sensible answers to these very valid
questions. That Ford, possibly (?) the biggest and most successful auto
manufacturer in the history of the world, can't be bothered to design and
manufacture a ground-up EV - unlike a half dozen much lesser companies -
speaks volumes for its attitude to EVs in general. It just isn't interested
and this may just lead to its ultimate demise. MW
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Re: [EVDL] free work load
In essence they ask for a donation (in avoided salary) of roughly 100k dollars. There may be specialists who can afford this, but anyone with a family or a business or employment will find it exceedingly hard to commit to 8 months volunteering. It is not impossible, but it is often found in the inexperienced fresh-from-school who like to get experience and build resume and not tied to financial obligations, for example still living with parents. Or with super-committed people or those who go through a severe career change... Personally this would be sort of a wild dream come true, but I am just in the process of closing escrow on a home, so I prefer to see paychecks come in for a couple more years... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.com Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org on behalf of Thos True Sent: Tue 3/26/2013 11:07 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] free work load Hey Wayne, There are many people who look for opportunities such as the one in Mike's post. Most of us call them internships. The cause looks to be a good one. I hope that they find a good match, although it looks like the bar is set pretty high in the experience area. Maybe they can find that special person who no longer needs the money and just wants to lend a hand to a cause (for 8 months!). I wish them the best of luck, as it never hurts to ask for the help. -Tom On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions electricb...@embarqmail.com wrote: I was going to reply to Mike Keddies post, but, decided not to, per Davids request on some of my other post. LOLOL smokers need not apply Some things are better not said ,and kept to ones self LOLOL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130325/8e14617b/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
