Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Jay Summet via EV]

On 05/19/2016 01:43 PM, Christopher Darilek via EV wrote:

Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board 
transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save weight.  But 
it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This might fit the bill.



Don't do that. Some ijit will plug a real J1772 into it at some point in 
the future. (If you are lucky, the EVSE handshake will protect both 
sides from bad things happeningalthough I don't know what happens if 
you push 12v to the pilot or ground wires)


Jay
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Re: [EVDL] Steve Clunn's 1st Factor EV

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

I just checked Darryl McMahon's ouitstanding EV history page

http://www.econogics.com/ev/evhistj.htm

and it lists several more Jet EVs than I remembered.  By this description, 
your pickup is probably the 750P Electravan.

The following text is from Darryl's page; I hope he doesn't mind.

Electrica

The Electrica was a Ford Escort converted to electric power. The 2-door 
hatchback version was used as the base vehicle. Later Electricas may have 
been based on the Ford Fiesta shell, and 10 of these were delivered to the 
United States Postal Service.

Jet 007

These vehicles were converted Dodge Omnis. Both 2-door and 4-door versions 
were converted, all providing a 4-seater passenger capacity. At least 70 
were produced, probably considerably more.

Jet 500 Electravan
Jet 600 Electravan

This vehicle was a converted Subaru minivan. At least 100 were produced. Two 
were purchased by the Canadian federal government for a demonstration 
project, and subsequently sold in New Brunswick to 2 individuals. One was 
scrapped for parts and the other converted back to gasoline power.

Jet 750P Electravan (pickup)

This vehicle was a converted Ford Courier pickup truck. At least 90 were 
produced.

Jet 1000 Electravan

This vehicle was a converted Dodge full-size van. At least 25 were produced.

Jet 1000P Electravan

At least 30 of these pickup trucks were produced.  

Jet 1400 Electravan

This vehicle was a converted Dodge Maxivan (extended full-size van). At 
least 10 were produced.

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Re: [EVDL] Steve Clunn's 1st Factor EV

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On 19 May 2016 at 11:30, Steve Clunn via EV wrote:

> Anyone guess a 1980 Ford Courier, ElectraVan   Done by JET
> ELECTRIC ?

I wouldn't have expected that, but you never know!  Didn't you convert a 
Morris Minor a few years back?

Do you have any pictures up on the web yet?  Lessee, lessee! ;-)

Jet Industries (that was their company name) did build some interesting EVs 
back in the day.  I guess you could call them "factory EVs," in the sense 
that you didn't convert them yourself - though AFAIK every one of them 
started its life as an ICEV before Jet stripped out the stinky bits and put 
in a motor.

Falling fuel prices in the 1980s did Jet in (a lesson for those of us who 
fantasize that factory EVs are here to stay, this time for sure).  I think 
they closed their doors some time between 1981 and 1983; maybe one of our 
veteran CA members will recall this.  

Back in the late 1980s, a fair number of EV hobbyists converted cars with 
surplus Prestolite motors that Jet liquidated.

Jet converted Ford Escorts (and a few of their stablemates, the Mercury 
Lynx), Ford Courier pickups, and Subaru 360 vans.  They renamed the Escorts 
Jet Electrica, and the Soobs Jet Electravan 600.  I don't recall what they 
named the Couriers.

There may have been some Jet conversions I've forgotten.  Something nags in 
the back of my mind about them converting a few full size vans.  

That might have been someone else, though.  There were a other commercial 
converters around the same time, all of which met the same ignominious end.  
The ones that come to mind immediately are South Coast Technology, which 
converted Rabbits; and US Electricar of Athol MA, which converted Renault 
R5s (Le Car), Fiat Bravas, and maybe some others.  (This is not the same 
company as the later US Electricar of CA, which converted S10s and Prizms 
with Hughes AC drives).

At any rate, if yours is a pickup, it's probably a Ford Courier; if it's a 
tiny van, it's a Subaru 360.

I know someone who had one of the Electravans years ago.  I drove it once, 
and thought it was a pretty decent conversion.  Getting spare parts for it 
was a big problem, however.  For example, the wheels were weird, only 10" 
(!) and IIRC were in 2 pieces bolted together.  Today you'd probably have to 
use trailer tires with tubes.

I wouldn't want to have a collision in an Electravan.  You sit almost right 
over the front wheels, so anything you run into will end up where your face 
and chest used to be - along with the steering wheel.

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[EVDL] Denver area folks

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Good afternoon everyone.  I am Al Swackhammer, who did own the 1960 Electric 
Auto Union.  I recently sold it on eBay to a gentleman in the Denver area.  He 
is experiencing trouble charging and is not feeling capable of troubleshooting 
the issue.  He was able to charge it several times but not it does not seem to 
be charging. 
  
Is there anyone that would be willing to assist him with some help?  I can come 
out in early-mid July but not before then.  Thank you so much in advance.  Al 
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Lee Hart via EV]

From: Christopher Darilek:

I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector... My charge rate is 18A
@100V. I think I need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V,
chassis ground, and BMS output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like
for the connector to be accessible without opening the hood.  What
do ya'll use?  Any ideas? Ahhh, I should have added that my charger
is a big honkin' off-board transformer.


Peri Hartman wrote:

Whoa.  Using a J1772 with a nonstandard connection could be
dangerous... sooner or later, someone else could make a mistake and
plug in some other ESVE and create a disaster.


I agree. Unless you can make your charging setup compatible with J1772, 
then don't use the J1772 connector.


But, this isn't completely out of the question. You have a big external 
transformer. Nothing says you can't keep it in the garage, and run its 
AC output to the J1772 power pins. This would require putting the bridge 
rectifier in the car. Then it only takes a little logic on the J1772 
control pins to make it generate and recognize the simple PWM 
diode-resistor setup.


That said, there are better solutions than the J1772. Look at the 
Anderson PowerPole connectors:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Powerpole

This is a modular, high-current high-voltage DC-rated connector system 
that is widely used in industrial EVs for charging connectors. They are 
available in many sizes, from little 15amp ones to big 350amp versions. 
The individual contact housing slide together to create multi-pin 
connectors of any configuration. Best of all, they only cost a few 
dollars per pin.


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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Roger Stockton via EV]

Christopher Darilek wrote:

> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs
> on the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a
> day).  My charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I
> think I need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground,
> and BMS output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be
> accessible without opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?

I'd suggest Anderson PowerPole connectors for this:



My first EV also used a large offboard transformer-type charger (Lester), and 
also required both pack voltage and 12V connections between the vehicle and 
charger.  It used a 4-pole PowerPole configuration for this.  In my case, the 
charger needed to see 12V from the vehicle to turn on its output.

You can choose different colours to color-code each contact according to 
purpose, and Anderson sells housings to allow the vehicle side connector to be 
mounted behind a fuel filler door, or somewhere else convenient and to allow 
the off board connector to be covered and treated as a 'paddle'.

This way there is no risk of future confusion resulting in something other than 
the intended charger being connected to the vehicle, and you have a connector 
system rated to make/break DC (which a re-purposed AC connector may not be).

Cheers,

Roger.


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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Bill Woodcock via EV]

Yeah, really not a good idea.

We’ve been very happy with Amphenol ePower 400s.

   -Bill


> On May 19, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> Whoa.  Using a J1772 with a nonstandard connection could be dangerous.  Maybe 
> I'm being too cautious.  However, sooner or later, someone else could make a 
> mistake and plug in from some other ESVE and create a disaster.
> 
> Peri
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> -- Original Message --
> From: "Christopher Darilek via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Sent: 19-May-16 10:43:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
> 
>> Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board 
>> transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save weight.  
>> But it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This might fit the 
>> bill.
>> -Chris
>> 
>> From: Lawrence Harris 
>> To: Christopher Darilek ; Electric Vehicle 
>> Discussion List 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
>> 
>> Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting a 
>> J1772 inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to 
>> install behind it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware is 
>> for sale somewhere as I see the inlet ports are readily available for about 
>> $90 and then you could use any standard charge cable.
>> 
>> Lawrence
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs 
>>> on the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a day).  
>>> My charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I think I 
>>> need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS 
>>> output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be 
>>> accessible without opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF goes wireless EVSE in the interest of science

[Nikki Gordon-Bloomfield via EV]

>>> up.
>>> Meanwhile, two sets of wires — high voltage and low voltage — were fed
>>> from
>>> the rear of the car to the front, where the on-board charger in the 2013
>>> Nissan LEAF resides. Fitted inside the space occupied by the LEAF’s
>>> battery
>>> pack, the installation looks clean and professional from underneath and
>>> the
>>> modified connections under the hood — including a new magnetic switch to
>>> detect if the charge port door is open or closed — were carefully added
>>> without damage to the car.
>>>
>>> With the car installation completed, it was time for us to head back to
>>> Transport Evolved headquarters, where the rest of the Plugless Power
>>> system
>>> was waiting. Since we’re only temporarily using the system, we opted for
>>> a
>>> DIY install, which we’ll admit isn’t the most sophisticated or
>>> aesthetically
>>> pleasing of solutions.
>>>
>>> The instructions provided by Evatran to install the system are
>>> straightforward and we had no problems installing the supplied
>>> wall-mounting
>>> bracket for the control box on the wall of our garage. meanwhile, the
>>> parking pad — and the shielding pad required for garage floor
>>> installations
>>> — were located on the floor underneath the LEAF. Pairing the unit with
>>> the
>>> car was fairly straightforward too: luckily, instructions are provided in
>>> the installation guide.
>>>
>>> Which brings us to an important point, something we feel is certainly a
>>> weakness of the Evatran system at the current point in time. Right now,
>>> the
>>> charging system pairs a single charging pad to a single car. We
>>> understand
>>> that will change in the future, but for now it does mean that you can’t
>>> simply park over another identical wireless charging pad and expect your
>>> car
>>> to start charging.
>>>
>>> In daily operation, the Plugless Power system guides you into position
>>> using
>>> a series of arrows on the wall-mounted control unit, but to get the right
>>> location for installation, Evatran recommends you park your car in a
>>> comfortable spot in the garage, then line up the charging pad underneath
>>> according to the instructions in its installation guide.
>>>
>>> Once a location has been picked — and you’ve tested its suitability by
>>> driving in and out of the parking spot a few times to practice following
>>> the
>>> guidance of the wall unit — you anchor the parking pad to the ground
>>> using
>>> three metallic dowels. You’ll need a hammer drill to make the holes they
>>> sit
>>> in, but luckily Evatran provides the necessary drill bit — and a template
>>> for drilling the holes — with the installation kit.
>>>
>>> With both wall unit and parking pad installed, we finished off our
>>> temporary
>>> installation using duct tape along the length of the garage floor to hold
>>> the cabling that leads from the wall unit to the parking pad in place.
>>> Naturally, a permanent installation could use a more
>>> aesthetically-pleasing
>>> solution but for test purposes, it should function just perfectly.
>>>
>>> So far, use of the system has been trouble-free once correct installation
>>> had been completed. Once the system detects the car approaching the
>>> garage,
>>> it exits low-power mode and guides the driver in using its set of
>>> diamond-shaped lights on the front of the unit. Once correctly parked,
>>> simply turn off the car and the unit will either enter timer-delay mode
>>> (if
>>> you have a timer enabled in your car) or automatically begin charging.
>>> [© 2016 TRANSPORT EVOLVED]
>>>
>>
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Cor van de Water via EV]

My suggestion will be to use a standard 4 pole locking NEMA inlet
and supply the 100V pack and 12V to the vehicle, but since you won't
want to have exposed pins carrying the full pack voltage, you will want
to add a contactor onboard to close when the plug receives the 12V.
You can use the BMS signal to open this contactor even with 12V present
and your charger should switch off when the current goes to zero, so no
signal needs to be sent back.
Suggested wiring:
- 2 pins for pack +and- (use the industry standard phase pins for this)
- one standard ground pin (use the industry standard pin for that)
- 12V pin, similar to "Pilot" in the J1772 (use industry standard
"Neutral" pin to carry this signal) that also will allow accidental
connection to a 240V extension cord with 240V AC present but since there
is no 12V between ground and Neutral, the contactor will not close and
the 240V AC will not connect to the pack...

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Harris
via EV
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:59 AM
To: Peri Hartman; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

I agree, I would not put a J1772 inlet if the there is no charger behind
it or if the charger can not be make to conform to the J1772 protocols.
That would be dangerous, there are many standard 5 conductor plugs that
would be usable if it's just to make a single cable coming out of the
car.

I was making the assumption (bad bad) that the charger was on board and
that it might be possible to add the handshake to make it J1772
compatible.

Lawrence

> On May 19, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Peri Hartman via EV 
wrote:
> 
> Whoa.  Using a J1772 with a nonstandard connection could be dangerous.
Maybe I'm being too cautious.  However, sooner or later, someone else
could make a mistake and plug in from some other ESVE and create a
disaster.
> 
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Christopher Darilek via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Sent: 19-May-16 10:43:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
> 
>> Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board
transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save weight.
But it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This might fit the
bill.
>> -Chris
>> 
>>  From: Lawrence Harris 
>> To: Christopher Darilek ; Electric Vehicle
Discussion List 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
>> 
>> Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting
a J1772 inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to
install behind it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware
is for sale somewhere as I see the inlet ports are readily available for
about $90 and then you could use any standard charge cable.
>> 
>> Lawrence
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA
plugs on the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x
a day).  My charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).
I think I need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis
ground, and BMS output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the
connector to be accessible without opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?
Any ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Lawrence Harris via EV]

I agree, I would not put a J1772 inlet if the there is no charger behind it or 
if the charger can not be make to conform to the J1772 protocols.  That would 
be dangerous, there are many standard 5 conductor plugs that would be usable if 
it’s just to make a single cable coming out of the car.

I was making the assumption (bad bad) that the charger was on board and that it 
might be possible to add the handshake to make it J1772 compatible.

Lawrence

> On May 19, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Peri Hartman via EV  wrote:
> 
> Whoa.  Using a J1772 with a nonstandard connection could be dangerous.  Maybe 
> I'm being too cautious.  However, sooner or later, someone else could make a 
> mistake and plug in from some other ESVE and create a disaster.
> 
> Peri
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Christopher Darilek via EV" 
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> Sent: 19-May-16 10:43:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
> 
>> Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board 
>> transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save weight.  
>> But it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This might fit the 
>> bill.
>> -Chris
>> 
>>  From: Lawrence Harris 
>> To: Christopher Darilek ; Electric Vehicle 
>> Discussion List 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
>> 
>> Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting a 
>> J1772 inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to 
>> install behind it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware is 
>> for sale somewhere as I see the inlet ports are readily available for about 
>> $90 and then you could use any standard charge cable.
>> 
>> Lawrence
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs 
>>> on the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a day).  
>>> My charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I think I 
>>> need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS 
>>> output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be 
>>> accessible without opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Whoa.  Using a J1772 with a nonstandard connection could be dangerous.  
Maybe I'm being too cautious.  However, sooner or later, someone else 
could make a mistake and plug in from some other ESVE and create a 
disaster.


Peri

-- Original Message --
From: "Christopher Darilek via EV" 
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
Sent: 19-May-16 10:43:50 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board 
transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save 
weight.  But it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This 
might fit the bill.

-Chris

  From: Lawrence Harris 
 To: Christopher Darilek ; Electric Vehicle 
Discussion List 

 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting a 
J1772 inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to 
install behind it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware 
is for sale somewhere as I see the inlet ports are readily available 
for about $90 and then you could use any standard charge cable.


Lawrence

 On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV 
 wrote:


 I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA 
plugs on the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 
2x a day).  My charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said 
plugs).  I think I need 5 connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, 
chassis ground, and BMS output to turn the charger Off.  I'd like for 
the connector to be accessible without opening the hood.  What do 
ya'll use?  Any ideas?

 Thanks,
 Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Christopher Darilek via EV]

Ahhh, I should have added that my charger is a big honkin' off-board 
transformer.  I don't want to put in in the car in order to save weight.  But 
it does look like a J1772 port has 5 conductors.  This might fit the bill.
-Chris

  From: Lawrence Harris 
 To: Christopher Darilek ; Electric Vehicle Discussion 
List  
 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options
   
Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting a J1772 
inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to install behind 
it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware is for sale somewhere 
as I see the inlet ports are readily available for about $90 and then you could 
use any standard charge cable.

Lawrence

> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs on 
> the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a day).  My 
> charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I think I need 5 
> connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS output to 
> turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be accessible without 
> opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] Charger connector options

[Lawrence Harris via EV]

Is your charger 110/220 volt compatible?  Have you considered putting a J1772 
inlet maybe where the gas cap is?  There is some electronics to install behind 
it - a relay and a pilot signal.  I suspect the hardware is for sale somewhere 
as I see the inlet ports are readily available for about $90 and then you could 
use any standard charge cable.

Lawrence

> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Christopher Darilek via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs on 
> the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a day).  My 
> charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I think I need 5 
> connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS output to 
> turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be accessible without 
> opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?
> Thanks,
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[EVDL] Charger connector options

[Christopher Darilek via EV]

I'm ready to upgrade my charger connector.  Right now I'm using NEMA plugs on 
the ends of pig tails under the hood (I have to open my hood 2x a day).  My 
charge rate is 18A @100V (reduced to not melt said plugs).  I think I need 5 
connections:  +100V, battery ground, +12V, chassis ground, and BMS output to 
turn the charger Off.  I'd like for the connector to be accessible without 
opening the hood.  What do ya'll use?  Any ideas?
Thanks,
Chrisvintageelectro.blogspot.com
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Re: [EVDL] EV-Spotting in London

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

The Brits are very practical people and don't spend a cent unless they need to. 
 They obviously did the math.  BTW solar puts out even in cloudy climates.  
Maybe more on a sunny day.  Solar panels like bright sun with cool 
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Re: [EVDL] Steve Clunn's 1st Factor EV

[Steve Clunn via EV]

Up to this point, all my Electric Vehicles have been DIY Conversions
that I have done.  So, moving up to a FACTORY converted vehicle is a
little Bitter Sweet.

Popping the hood and showing off my own work  has always been very satisfying.

I am also a big fan of other people's conversions.  To see how they
put them together and what solutions they come up with has always been
a thrill.

At  EV car shows, where there are Tesla, Leaf's and Volts, its the DIY
conversions that interest me the most. ( these DIY's are fading fast).

I think it is remarkable what the big Factories are doing, but with a
team of engineers and the ability to build any part you want, they are
not really in the same league as home built EVs.

I am sure as everyone who is reading this is wondering ... WHICH
FACTORY EV I succumb to?   At this point in the post, those that know
me, have already picked a vehicle that they THINK I might choose.
Anyone guess a 1980 Ford Courier, ElectraVan   Done by JET
ELECTRIC ?

I was lucky enough to pick this truck up, in exchange for labor on a
conversion.  The Battery box looks to have been extended to hold 20
Golf Cart Batteries.  It has the OLD GE Motor, which had an oblong
Com.  I was able to turn it on my neighbors lathe and was surprised at
how easy this was to do.  It wasn't a problem of a lifted com bar,
just not perfectly round.   The vehicle came with a Raptor Controller,
that did not work.  I replaced it with a Soliton Jr. ( 500Amp
Controller).  I have been driving it around with the old GOLF CART
Batteries, but plan on putting some LEAF Batteries in.

This was purchased by the City of Knoxville, TN in 1980 and sold to a
Mr. Kirby in 1983, who sold it this year to my customer.

I am thinking that this is a little bit of History here.  Too bad
things hadn't gone different back in 1980.  We could have ALL been
driving Electric Cars before the turn of the century.

I would be interested to know if any one has any information or
experience with this  (Factory)  Conversion.  I would like to put the
information up on our web site.

-- 
Steve Clunn
Merging the best of the past with
the best of the future.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF goes wireless EVSE in the interest of science

[Peter C. Thompson via EV]

Hi Peter,

Wireless power transfer efficiency (end-to-end) is above 90%.  A google 
search of "wireless EV charging efficiency" shows several companies 
claiming this (including mine).  All of the major OEMs are looking into 
wireless charging as a long-term solution, and are working very hard on 
making sure that the systems will be compatible across the globe.


The mechanical plug idea is not new, but does add problems and costs (as 
do all systems). Water shorting remains an issue, as does blocking. I'm 
sure a good solution will arise for this.


Cheers, Peter



On 5/19/16 6:54 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
From what I have read in the past, inductive pads are not that energy 
efficient as compared to a direct plug in.  Have things changed?


I like the idea behind Apple's Magsafe 2 charging port for laptops.  
With the Magsafe 2 charging system, the port is magnetized so that a 
charger plug will stay attached but will release given enough force.  
This prevents yanking on a firmly connected plug and prevents damage 
to the connective plug and/or receptacle.


For an EV, the idea would be that the plug hangs down from the ceiling 
or pole and a person drives into their garage, carport, or spot on the 
driveway.  The magnetic field is sensed, opens up the charging port 
doors, and the magnetic field draws the plug to the proper position, 
makes contact, a light on the dash confirms proper contact, and 
recharging begins.  When the time comes to drive away, there is no 
plug to remove.  The motion of backing away breaks the magnetic hold 
and the port door automatically closes.  There is no forgetting to 
unplug.


I could see where out in the open where dew and rain might present a 
problem.  How does Tesla, Nissan, and all the other EV manufacturers 
prevent water from causing a short?


On 5/19/16, 3:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


https://transportevolved.com/2016/05/13/staff-car-report-our-nissan-leaf-gets-fitted-with-a-wireless-inductive-charging-system-in-the-interests-of-science/ 


Staff Car Report: Our Nissan LEAF Gets Fitted With A WIRELESS INDUCTIVE
CHARGING SYSTEM IN THE INTERESTS OF SCIENCE
MAY 13, 2016  NIKKI GORDON-BLOOMFIELD

[image
https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Transport-Evolved-Wireless-Charging-2-580x411.png 

The wireless receiver fits on the underside of the car, and is paired 
with

the wireless inductive transmitter located on the floor

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-2-580x387.jpg 

At the front of the car, a few extra control cables are interfaced 
with the

stock wiring

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-19-580x387.jpg 


As the receiver pad is fitted below the trunk area, installation nears
completion

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-26-580x387.jpg 


New diffuser plates are fitted to protect the inductive charging pad

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-44-700x467.jpg 

Its not our best work, but as its temporary, this is what our 
installation

looks like

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-47-580x387.jpg 


As you approach, a series of arrows guide you in
]

With more than 30 years of collaborative electric car and plug-in 
vehicle
ownership under our belts here at Transport Evolved, we’d like to 
think of

ourselves as being pretty well versed in the act of plugging a car in to
recharge it. From our earliest experiences involving standard household
outlets to CHAdeMO DC quick charging and Tesla’s incredibly impressive
Supercharger standard, driving a cleaner, greener car has always 
involved

plugging a cord in somewhere at the end of a trip to recharge our car’s
on-board battery pack for the next journey.

Although anyone who has owned or driven an electric car for any 
length of
time will admit that the act of plugging in a car to charge it is a 
process
that takes just a few seconds, many automakers are investing time and 
energy

into developing wireless inductive charging systems designed to ensure
people never have to plug their car in to charge.

[image]  Inductive charging from mainstream automakers is on the way.
The idea is simple: instead of using an electrically conductive, 
mechanical
plug and socket to send power from a charging station into an 
electric car’s
charging system, you use electromagnetism to do the same thing 
inductively.

And while most inductive charging systems are still very much in the
laboratory test phase right now, wireless inductive charging is 
something
that automakers like Nissan, Volkswagen and Toyota say we’ll be 
seeing on
commercial electric cars in the next decade or so. Such systems, 
we’re told,
will eliminate the fear and worry that some customers have about

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF goes wireless EVSE in the interest of science

[Peter Eckhoff via EV]

From what I have read in the past, inductive pads are not that energy 
efficient as compared to a direct plug in.  Have things changed?


I like the idea behind Apple's Magsafe 2 charging port for laptops.  
With the Magsafe 2 charging system, the port is magnetized so that a 
charger plug will stay attached but will release given enough force.  
This prevents yanking on a firmly connected plug and prevents damage to 
the connective plug and/or receptacle.


For an EV, the idea would be that the plug hangs down from the ceiling 
or pole and a person drives into their garage, carport, or spot on the 
driveway.  The magnetic field is sensed, opens up the charging port 
doors, and the magnetic field draws the plug to the proper position, 
makes contact, a light on the dash confirms proper contact, and 
recharging begins.  When the time comes to drive away, there is no plug 
to remove.  The motion of backing away breaks the magnetic hold and the 
port door automatically closes.  There is no forgetting to unplug.


I could see where out in the open where dew and rain might present a 
problem.  How does Tesla, Nissan, and all the other EV manufacturers 
prevent water from causing a short?


On 5/19/16, 3:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


https://transportevolved.com/2016/05/13/staff-car-report-our-nissan-leaf-gets-fitted-with-a-wireless-inductive-charging-system-in-the-interests-of-science/
Staff Car Report: Our Nissan LEAF Gets Fitted With A WIRELESS INDUCTIVE
CHARGING SYSTEM IN THE INTERESTS OF SCIENCE
MAY 13, 2016  NIKKI GORDON-BLOOMFIELD

[image
https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Transport-Evolved-Wireless-Charging-2-580x411.png
The wireless receiver fits on the underside of the car, and is paired with
the wireless inductive transmitter located on the floor

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-2-580x387.jpg
At the front of the car, a few extra control cables are interfaced with the
stock wiring

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-19-580x387.jpg
As the receiver pad is fitted below the trunk area, installation nears
completion

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-26-580x387.jpg
New diffuser plates are fitted to protect the inductive charging pad

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-44-700x467.jpg
Its not our best work, but as its temporary, this is what our installation
looks like

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-47-580x387.jpg
As you approach, a series of arrows guide you in
]

With more than 30 years of collaborative electric car and plug-in vehicle
ownership under our belts here at Transport Evolved, we’d like to think of
ourselves as being pretty well versed in the act of plugging a car in to
recharge it. From our earliest experiences involving standard household
outlets to CHAdeMO DC quick charging and Tesla’s incredibly impressive
Supercharger standard, driving a cleaner, greener car has always involved
plugging a cord in somewhere at the end of a trip to recharge our car’s
on-board battery pack for the next journey.

Although anyone who has owned or driven an electric car for any length of
time will admit that the act of plugging in a car to charge it is a process
that takes just a few seconds, many automakers are investing time and energy
into developing wireless inductive charging systems designed to ensure
people never have to plug their car in to charge.

[image]  Inductive charging from mainstream automakers is on the way.
The idea is simple: instead of using an electrically conductive, mechanical
plug and socket to send power from a charging station into an electric car’s
charging system, you use electromagnetism to do the same thing inductively.
And while most inductive charging systems are still very much in the
laboratory test phase right now, wireless inductive charging is something
that automakers like Nissan, Volkswagen and Toyota say we’ll be seeing on
commercial electric cars in the next decade or so. Such systems, we’re told,
will eliminate the fear and worry that some customers have about forgetting
to plug in, make electric cars more appealing to traditional gasoline car
owners, and lead to a future where cars can be dynamically charged while
driving along specially-designed portions of road.

So to see what wireless charging was really like to live with on an everyday
basis — and to see if we, and many electric car owners around the world were
simply missing the point when it came to wireless inductive charging — we
reached out to the folks at Evatran, manufacturer of the Plugless Power
wireless inductive charging system, and asked if we could test a wireless
charging system for six months to see if we were right or wrong about life
with 

[EVDL] Old packs as powerwalls @L3 EVSE sites to help smooth out the grid, +more

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Reading all these news items (some good, some anti-EV, some
overunity-odd/silly, and some just plain unworthy of one's time, etc.), lead
me to think ...

 ... with both Tesla and Nissan (and a few other minor players) re-purposing
their under 80% capacity packs (that came from driver replacements), and
with both of them in the 'power-wall' market game (selling electricity
storage units for businesses, and other uses, etc.) ...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Nissan-s-V2G-UK-network-power-wall-competitor-v-tp4682089.html

Why aren't they installing these power-walls at well used L3 EVSE stations?
Is there a major utility complaint that highly used L3 EVSE puts a high
demand on the grid?
That the EV's power demand during peak HVAC power periods are counter
productive?

Isn't there also some complaining that there is a lack of electrical storage
from renewable sources that produce during non-peak times?

And what about the V2G and V2H crowd, working with utilities to do the
software & hardware R&D to let the utilities control whose EV pack they can
tap?

When I look at a well laid out/designed Tesla Supercharging site
https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/tesla-supercharger-newark.jpg?w=1000
 it shows me there is so much space to put these power-wall units in place
at those sites.

If well used CHAdeMO and combo L3 sites also had a similar layout (and
perhaps located on either side of a small 24.hr shopping center to give
drivers something to do, etc.) and large amount of electrical power could be
controlled to keep the EVs charged, keep the grid happy during peak periods,
and smooth the power generation during off-peak period (when the wind is
blowing in the middle of the night, etc.), (+more) ...
http://rameznaam.com/2015/04/14/energy-storage-about-to-get-big-and-cheap/

So, I suppose the next step is to know how much electrical power is used at
these L3 EVSE. I will assume (for easy calculations sake) that each L3 EVSE
(either Tesla's or CHAdeMO/combo) draw 50kW.

In the (above) image 12 Tesla EVs can be charging at one time (Tesla uses
some smart circuitry, so each may not be push 50kW, but lets assume at some
time they will to make the math easier). I know some Supercharge sites are
smaller ...
http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_1148-1.jpg
 but when the Tesla-3 EVs, and their competing 200mi EVs are in production &
for-sale, there is going to be a whole lot more L3 EVSE charging going on.

So how much power-wall-ish storage is needed? If it takes two hours to
replenish a Tesla to 80% @50kw (after 80% SOC the charging current drops
dramatically), and the grid is usually subject to an 8hr period of peak
demands during our now hotter climate (more HVAC/air-conditioners running)
from 12n to 8pm
https://blog.opower.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Peak-between-3-7pm-larger-font1.png

Doesn't this mean 4 power-wall units, each with the capacity of a 200mi EV
need to be available for each L3/supercharger EVSE?

That is going to be a lot of up front investment cost, but if they could
make money at it, this move could also fund installing solar at those L3
sites (which would also help lessen the load on the utility grid).

I am sure my idea is not a new one. And if I find any EV related items on
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[EVDL] EVLN: 5yr ownership comparison> ice doesn't make economic sen$e

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http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/News/Local/2016-05-14/article-4529545/Gas-guzzlers-not-wanted-here/1
Gas guzzlers not wanted here
May 14, 2016  Mitch MacDonald

[image  / Mitch MacDonald
http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/media/photos/unis/2016/05/14/photo_3082136/article_large.jpg
May 14, 2016  Harry Smith proudly shows his Tesla Model S he bought in 2012
during the Earth Expo at the P.E.I. Farm Centre in Charlottetown last month.
Smith educated a number of participants at the expo on the advantages and
innovative technology behind electric cars

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/media/photos/unis/2016/05/14/photo_3082137/article_large.jpg
May 14, 2016  Harry Smith shows under the hood of his 1996 Toyota Rav4
during the Earth Expo at the P.E.I. Farm Centre in Charlottetown last month.
The Rav4 originally had an internal combustion engine but has been re-fitted
with electric batteries. “Before the Nissan Leaf came out, if you wanted an
electric car and didn’t live in California, you built it yourself,” said
Smith
]

Harry Smith proudly shows his Tesla Model S he bought in 2012 during the
Earth Expo at the P.E.I. Farm Centre in Charlottetown last month. Smith
educated a number of participants at the expo on the advantages and
innovative technology behind electric cars. Guardian photo by Mitch
MacDonald
“No gas” is spelled on the back of Smith’s Tesla Model S [EV], a motto he’s
lived by since buying the electric vehicle in 2012

Harry Smith’s dream is displayed proudly on his license plate.

“No gas” is spelled on the back of Smith’s Tesla Model S, a motto he’s lived
by since buying the electric vehicle in 2012.

It’s also a prediction he hopes will describe an anticipated shift in the
automotive industry.

“My wife and I spent a lot of time wasting resources and never even thought
about it, I grew up in Texas in the middle of refineries,” said Smith, who
educated participants during last month’s Earth Expo at the P.E.I. Farm
Centre on the advantages of electric cars. “The sooner you start thinking
about it, there’s no oil being made anywhere, we might find some more but
sooner or later its going to be gone... its going to be catastrophic and
civilization will change”

Summerside psychiatrist Chris Stewart also showed his electric car, a Nissan
Leaf, at the expo.

His reason for buying the Leaf, the world’s best-selling highway-capable
electric vehicle, was simple.

“To save the world,” said Stewart, noting that the comfortable hatchback is
also deceivingly powerful.

“I’ll bet you there’s not five cars in this parking lot that could keep up
with him (Stewart),” said Smith.

While many would likely be happy to drive guilt-free with zero emissions,
previous concerns of the cars being under-powered as well as high initial
costs have been the biggest barriers for electric vehicles.

Smith bought his first Tesla for about $100,000 in 2012 and has also spent a
considerable amount having a 1996 Toyota Rav4 re-fitted with electric power.

With electric technology quickly advancing, as well as a diminishing price
tag, Smith feels the trend towards zero-emission vehicles will continue to
grow.

“In five to eight years, a lot of analysts believe it will be very difficult
to buy a new gas-powered car from a dealership because the economics are
just compelling,” he said.

The upcoming Tesla Model 3, which has a release date of 2017, is being
looked at by many as an upcoming game-changer for the automotive industry.

Tesla’s website lists more than 325,000 reservations for the new car, which
is boasting a price tag of $35 thousand.

“If you do a five-year ownership comparison with a gas car, taking into
account fuel, repairs and servicing, it doesn’t make sense economically to
buy the gas car,” said Smith, who charges his Tesla in a dryer plug at home.

A full charge allows Smith about 450 km of driving in the summer.

He said the availability of charging stations is greater than many realize,
with about 25 located in P.E.I. and more than 25 thousand across North
America.

“I drove to LA a couple of times, Florida and Vancouver. It was no problem,”
said Smith.
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[EVDL] EVLN: LEAF goes wireless EVSE in the interest of science

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https://transportevolved.com/2016/05/13/staff-car-report-our-nissan-leaf-gets-fitted-with-a-wireless-inductive-charging-system-in-the-interests-of-science/
Staff Car Report: Our Nissan LEAF Gets Fitted With A WIRELESS INDUCTIVE
CHARGING SYSTEM IN THE INTERESTS OF SCIENCE
MAY 13, 2016  NIKKI GORDON-BLOOMFIELD

[image  
https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Transport-Evolved-Wireless-Charging-2-580x411.png
The wireless receiver fits on the underside of the car, and is paired with
the wireless inductive transmitter located on the floor

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-2-580x387.jpg
At the front of the car, a few extra control cables are interfaced with the
stock wiring

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-19-580x387.jpg
As the receiver pad is fitted below the trunk area, installation nears
completion

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-26-580x387.jpg
New diffuser plates are fitted to protect the inductive charging pad

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-44-700x467.jpg
Its not our best work, but as its temporary, this is what our installation
looks like

https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Transport-Evolved-Plugless-Power-installation-47-580x387.jpg
As you approach, a series of arrows guide you in
]

With more than 30 years of collaborative electric car and plug-in vehicle
ownership under our belts here at Transport Evolved, we’d like to think of
ourselves as being pretty well versed in the act of plugging a car in to
recharge it. From our earliest experiences involving standard household
outlets to CHAdeMO DC quick charging and Tesla’s incredibly impressive
Supercharger standard, driving a cleaner, greener car has always involved
plugging a cord in somewhere at the end of a trip to recharge our car’s
on-board battery pack for the next journey.

Although anyone who has owned or driven an electric car for any length of
time will admit that the act of plugging in a car to charge it is a process
that takes just a few seconds, many automakers are investing time and energy
into developing wireless inductive charging systems designed to ensure
people never have to plug their car in to charge.

[image]  Inductive charging from mainstream automakers is on the way.
The idea is simple: instead of using an electrically conductive, mechanical
plug and socket to send power from a charging station into an electric car’s
charging system, you use electromagnetism to do the same thing inductively.
And while most inductive charging systems are still very much in the
laboratory test phase right now, wireless inductive charging is something
that automakers like Nissan, Volkswagen and Toyota say we’ll be seeing on
commercial electric cars in the next decade or so. Such systems, we’re told,
will eliminate the fear and worry that some customers have about forgetting
to plug in, make electric cars more appealing to traditional gasoline car
owners, and lead to a future where cars can be dynamically charged while
driving along specially-designed portions of road.

So to see what wireless charging was really like to live with on an everyday
basis — and to see if we, and many electric car owners around the world were
simply missing the point when it came to wireless inductive charging — we
reached out to the folks at Evatran, manufacturer of the Plugless Power
wireless inductive charging system, and asked if we could test a wireless
charging system for six months to see if we were right or wrong about life
with a car that doesn’t plug in.

They agreed, and just over one month ago, we took ‘Micah’ one of our Staff
Nissan LEAFs to be fitted with the Plugless Power inductive charging system.
Today and for the next five months or so, we’re going to bring you regular
updates detailing how the system is working in real life, from how it feels
not to have to plug in to any difficulties or challenges that the system
brings with it.

And at this point, we think it’s worth noting that we’re entering into this
six-month project as complete skeptics of the system. Having driven electric
cars for so many years, plugging in isn’t an issue to us. Moreover, while
the Evatran Plugless Power system claims 90 percent efficiency when compared
to a conductive (plug-in) charging system, we’re curious as to how much
extra power our system will use compared to a traditional electromechanical
charging arrangement.

Evatran currently sells wireless inductive 3.3 kilowatt charging systems for
three different cars — the Nissan LEAF [EV], original Chevrolet Volt [pih]
and the Cadillac ELR [pih] — and is in the process of launching its fourth
inductive charging system,  a larger, more powerful 7.2 kilowatt system for
the Tesla Model S [EV]. Each system consists o

[EVDL] EVLN: Student ELF e-trike rentals among $90, 000 of approved green fee projects (v)

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http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2016/elf-car-among-90,000-of-approved-green-fee-projects.php
ELF car among $90,000 of approved green fee projects
May 13, 2016  Office of Sustainability staff 

[images  
http://www.wm.edu/news/images/2016/photosets/elf-car/elf-set.jpg
Green wheels  W&M will use green fee funds to purchase a solar
electric-assist bike car, known as an ELF, for student rental. VIMS already
has one.  Photo by David Malmquist/VIMS

http://www.wm.edu/news/images/2016/photosets/elf-car/elf-set-2.jpg
Green wheels  An ELF car rolling in Durham, North Carolina, where
manufacturer Organic Transit is headquartered. The cars are legally
considered bicycles, making them versatile on campuses and in urban areas. 
Photo courtesy Organic Transit


video
https://youtu.be/ZRGDgrHjBSs
ELF car in motion
College of William & Mary May 11, 2016
A solar electric-assist bicycle, known as an ELF car, is shown in motion.
]

The William & Mary Committee on Sustainability has awarded more than $90,000
in funding for spring and summer sustainability projects both on campus and
in the local community, including money to purchase a solar-powered
bike-car, known as an ELF.

Students will be able to check out the small, green ELF, outfitted with the
W&M Sustainability logo and manufactured by Organic Transit. The ELF fits in
a bike lane, making it an ideal cross-campus form of transportation. $1,860
was awarded to Lydia Francis ’17, W&M Student Environmental Action Coalition
and advisor Calandra Waters Lake, director of sustainability, for the car,
which will also be showcased at sustainability events.

The Green Fee program began as a grassroots student initiative in 2008.
Since then, it has funded more than 200 sustainability projects led by
students, faculty and staff around the William & Mary campuses. This
semester saw a wide variety of proposals, from campus-wide initiatives to
innovative sustainability research projects. Projects include: ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Malaysian EV-grins keeps them charging ahead

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http://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2016/05/16/charging-ahead/
Charging ahead
16 May 2016  STEVEN PATRICK,TAN KIT HOONG

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High road: The Mitsubishi i-MiEV is the first electric car to hit Malaysian
roads. — RAYMOND OOI/The Star

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2016/05/13/11/12/okev_ok_21.ashx?la=en
Significant savings: It costs RM3 a day to charge Sara’s Renault Zoe as
opposed to RM8 for petrol. — TAN KIT HOONG/The Star

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2016/05/13/11/12/okev_ok_13pdf.ashx?h=647&w=940&la=en
Lua takes pride in the fact that his electric vehicle can outrun a
conventional car with an internal combustion engine. — SAM THAM/The Star

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/online/2016/05/13/11/12/okev_ok_3.ashx?la=en
Traffic jams don’t make a big impact on the battery, says Dr Deepak, as the
charge only drops 1 [bar] every hour. — RICKY LAI/The Star
]

Electric car user Prof Datuk Dr Tunku Sara Ahmad says she gets a funny
feeling every time she passes by a petrol station in her Renault Zoe
electric car.

“It’s not relevant anymore,” quips the director of the National Orthopaedic
Centre of Excellence of Research and Learning, who uses the car to commute
from her home to her workplace at the University Malaya Faculty of Medicine.

Sara is just one in a small group of over 100 people in the country who has
opted to go with an electric vehicle (EV) without a petrol engine.

To power up her car all she needs to do is charge it at home for four hours
every two days.

Sara says: “It just costs me RM3 a day to charge the battery as opposed to
spending about RM8 on fuel.”

Her city commute fits perfectly with the usage pattern of EV users where
travel is mostly limited to the city and access to a charging station is
never more than a short drive away.

Going green
Dr Deepak Singh, also an orthopaedic surgeon, used to drive a hybrid car and
diesel-powered vehicle before switching to the Nissan Leaf EV in 2013.

He claims it was an environmentally friendly move, a sentiment echoed by
Sara.

Datuk Lua Choon Hann, group ­managing director of property and manufacturing
group PRG Holdings, drives an electric dream car, the Tesla Model P85D.

“The fact that the car is powered using only electricity and can outrun a
car with an internal combustion engine is a very exciting and innovative
idea,” he says.

“According to government statistics, car ownership in Malaysia is the third
highest in the world at a whopping 93% with 54% of households having more
than one car.”

Lua feels that using electric cars is one of the ways to support the
­government’s initiative to achieve a 40% reduction in greenhouse gas
­emissions by the year 2020 and reduce the reliance on fossil fuels as the
resources are depleting.
 
“The electric car is something I have been waiting for for years. It feels
good to know I’m not pumping carbon ­dioxide into the atmosphere,” says
Sara, who used to drive a hybrid car.

The amount of carbon dioxide pumped into the atmosphere is not something to
be taken lightly.

Malaysian Green Technology Corporation (MGTC) CEO Ahmad Haris says that
carbon dioxide emissions from road transportation in 2013 was 61.6 million
tonnes.

“We would need to plant over 1.5 billion trees just to absorb this amount of
carbon dioxide,” he says.

It has to be said that even EVs have carbon footprints – apart from the
energy (and resulting carbon emission) from building the car, electricity
taken from a wall socket is ultimately supplied by your local power company.

Since an electric car itself does not emit any carbon dioxide, the carbon
footprint depends on how electricity is generated at the power station – for
example, using coal to generate ­electricity will mean that an electric
car’s carbon footprint is about equal to a petrol engine car, while low
carbon sources such as natural gas results in a much lower carbon footprint.

In Malaysia, electricity is obtained from two main types of power sources –
thermal power plants ... and hydroelectric power plants ...

On the consumer side, however, ­getting an electric car has other
­advantages.

Cost of ownership
According to MGTC’s figures, ­switching to EV could save you 69% in fuel and
64% in maintenance costs.

However, the major barrier to owning an EV is the price, which can set you
back RM140,000 to RM700,000 depending on the make and model.

Of that price, close to 50% is due to the cost of manufacturing the lithium-
ion battery.

However, prices for EVs are bound to drop as the cost of manufacturing falls
– since 2010, the price of lithium batteries have dropped by some 40%.

Unfortunately, the tax exemption for EVs which was instated in 2011 when
Mitsubishi Motors Malaysia introduced Malaysia to the first EV – the i-MiEV
(Mitsubishi Innovative Electric Vehicle) – was discontinued last year.

“MGTC i

[EVDL] Mississippi GreenTech.cn sells more than nEVs (U.S. visa flimflams)

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http://www.wlox.com/story/31969889/mississippi-electric-car-maker-not-reaching-job-target
Mississippi electric car-maker not reaching job target
May 13th 2016  JEFF AMY

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) - Mississippi officials say they're renegotiating an
incentive agreement with GreenTech Automotive after the electric car maker
failed to hire enough workers. Tunica County officials have also failed to
grant agreed-on property tax breaks.

Jeff Rent, a spokesman for the Mississippi Development Authority, says
GreenTech hasn't hired the 350 employees it pledged. Mississippi loaned
GreenTech $3 million, and the first payment of more than $150,000 is due
June 30. MDA also loaned Tunica County $1.9 million to buy the site.

GreenTech has raised money from Chinese people who can obtain U.S. residency
by investing $500,000.

A 2015 report found that a top Homeland Security official broke ethics rules
when he aided GreenTech's visas. Among company insiders then were Terry
McAuliffe, now Democratic governor of Virginia, and Hugh Rodham, Hillary
Clinton's brother.
[© 2016 Frankly Media and Raycom Media  2016 The Associated Press]



http://gtaev.com/us
GreenTech nEVs ( % some are ice but all are ts:25mph)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GreenTech_Automotive
...
[dated]
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-brother-tony-rodham-terry-mcauliffe-116447
Hillary's brother raised Chinese money for McAuliffe's green car venture
03/27/15
...
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-greentech-automotive-suspected-in-visas-for-sale-scheme/article/2536327
Report: GreenTech Automotive suspected in 'visas-for-sale' scheme
9/24/13
...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/08/10/where-did-37-million-invested-in-mcauliffe-s-greentech-go/
Where Did $37M Invested in (Fast Terry) McAuliffe's GreenTech Go?
10 Aug 2013




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