Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I'm not a physicist, and college physics was too many years ago, so maybe I have no business commenting on this. However, I'm somewhat sympathetic with the idea that maybe it's possible to harvest some energy from a roadway. What is regenerative braking but the process ot retrieving and savin

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread paul dove via EV
Gravity is not a force. Friction is a force. Einsteinium theory of relativity proved this. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > Rush is right in that the gravity is the force that slows down the > vehicle but not in the way you were thinking.

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Ah, nitpicking ;-) You are right, gravity is not a force in itself, it causes a force due to the attraction observed between masses. Colloquial speech however simply states: "The force of gravity..." but it is true that gravity is not the force itself, as explained by this quote: "Gravity is most a

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Since you seem to have more knowledge about this field than I do... please enlighten me (and the others on this list) - what is that resistance called and how does it make objects crash into the ground. What are the losses? Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: jack

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Rush is right in that the gravity is the force that slows down the vehicle but not in the way you were thinking. See, the way that the piezo elements can generate energy is by removing it from a source, in this case the moving vehicle. The piezo elements generate energy because a force works on the

Re: [EVDL] Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco

2016-08-26 Thread Jeff Mccabe via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Jack, This will be my last on-list reply, I fear we are annoying other readers when we take this much further. If you are convinced that my mind is made up then there is nothing I can do to change that. In your previous response, you clearly stated that you try to harvest free energy, no change i

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread via EV
> I think you've forgotten about a little pesky thing called gravity... and > while > the distances maybe similar, the energy needed to get the 'vehicle' back up to > the same level, the rise, is more than the energy gained on the fall. Best check your physics Rush. That same resistance to risi

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread via EV
> You described a perpetuum mobile machine. No, I'm not. The energy is supplied by an outside source and is energy that would otherwise be wasted. Not "free" energy as in a "perpetuum mobile machine". But no point in bothering with details when summarily dismissing new ideas and approaches.

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
Jack wrote - > -Original Message- >Since the uphill and downhill distances are > the same, there is no net loss as compared to the surface that did not change inclination. > And the rise and fall of both the near end and the far end cause a similar energy output I think you've forgotten a

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
until the temperature rises or more traffic travels on them. This is a clear indication that roads heat up due to traffic. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/42172503/attachment.htm&g

[EVDL] Leaf trip to Sacramento from San Francisco

2016-08-26 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
91 miles 25% of charge remaining. Stiff tail wind. 29 miles of range on the range indicator. Battery heat at 6 bars. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/8201f

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Jack Wendel via EV
n them. This is a clear indication that roads heat up due to traffic. ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/2fd39052/attachment.htm> ___

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
There is a big difference between the people of Tokyo walking on a Piezoelectric walkway to light a sign versus running an electric train between stations. I am more apt to walk to charge my cell phone with piezoelectric elements built into my shoes but not to charge my EV. If that were true,

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread David Nelson via EV
the roads. It is ignoring the other evidence in favor of only one possible indicator. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160826/60d3cd7a/attachment.htm> __

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Lee Hart via EV
via EV wrote: On the efficiency side of things, roads already flex when vehicles drive over them. Why not harvest that lost energy? Heat is the "bullshit" detector of such claims. If any significant amount of energy was being produced by flexing roads, it would show up as a temperature rise.

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread David Nelson via EV
aunched two piezoelectric pilot programs in > >>> >California, > >>> >Gatto asked the CEC to study the technology. Five years later, the CEC > >>> >has > >>> >agreed to fund pilot projects around the state. > >>> > > >>&

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
>has >>> >agreed to fund pilot projects around the state. >>> > >>> >If they are successful, perhaps other states will consider harvesting >>> >electricity from their busy roadways. >>> > >>> >“Thirty years ago, no one would

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
gt;>> > >>> >If they are successful, perhaps other states will consider harvesting >>> >electricity from their busy roadways. >>> > >>> >“Thirty years ago, no one would have believed that black silicon panels >>> >in >>> &

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Jack Wendel via EV
s and strain values. The metal was already "squishy" enough to allow electric current generation under load. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.o

Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs inBurbank-CA(?)

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Re: [EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Really? Is rolling resistance so high that there's energy to power Burbank? I'm not going to do the math but it sounds preposterous. Ok, some of the math: 105000 homes at an average of 1MWh/month. That's 10.5GWh/month or 14.5Mwh/hour. So, that strip of highway needs to produce 14.5Mw. Still see

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160826

2016-08-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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[EVDL] Piezo-power> 10mi of freeway could charge all the EVs in Burbank-CA(?)

2016-08-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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2016-08-26 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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