[EVDL] Prius pack rebuilding

[David Chapman via EV]

Anyone know if there any companies that are currently producing "drop in" LFP 
or LTO replacement cells / modules for the 2011 and later Prius. Thinking of 
buying a Prius with a dead main pack and rebuilding the pack with newer 
technology modules. Seems like this should be something done to death by now. 
DaCh
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Re: [EVDL] 2013-2015 LEAF Battery Pack Install in a 2011-2012 LEAF

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi Dex’s Chris,
I have worked on a couple dozen Nissan Leaf batteries and I know exactly what 
you try to do.
Unfortunately, the descriptions from the Nissan dealer are deceiving. Let me 
clarify:

The control (round) plug is entirely different between the 2011/12 and later 
versions Leaf.
When a dealer orders a replacement pack for a 2011/12, it will be a new pack 
specially made using the *old* connector.
Actually the pin signals are electrically the same between the two (see also 
the service manuals) but mechanically the two are not compatible.
There are other differences, for example the car expects 4 temp sensors while 
the 2013+ pack has only 3.

Confusingly the dealer does order two conversion adapters.
Those are not plug adapters, but metal brackets that attach the rear of the 
pack to the frame above the rear axle.
Reason is that the designers of the 2013+ packs chose to use two smaller bolts 
for each of the two brackets, while the 2011/12 packs attach that bracket with 
a single larger bolt, the same one as the rest of the pack is attached to the 
frame with.
I have no clue why and you could drill 2 holes in the old bracket and reuse it 
if you like.

However, also the 2 plastic belly pan sections under the pack do not fit when 
installing a different pack, so the dealer also orders new belly pan covers.

Then there is the issue of the 2nd high voltage plug.

That is why all except one of my battery swaps were:
- Open both packs
- Swap the new modules into the old enclosure, also retaining all the old 
wiring and the old BMS (LBC).
- Bolt the old enclosure together and reinstall on the original vehicle
- Because you keep the BMS with the car, no reprogramming required.
NOTE that BMS wiring is different between old and new pack, so make sure to 
swap *all* wiring to the new cells when you install them into the old shell 
with the old BMS. Too many people wanted to cut corners and plugged the new 
cell’s sense wiring harness into the old BMS. Mechanically it fits. The smoke 
escapes instantly.

Hope this helps,
Cor.

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Subject: [EVDL] 2013-2015 LEAF Battery Pack Install in a 2011-2012 LEAF

Our project involves the installation of a 2015 donor pack into a 2011 car.
Since the 2013-2015 pack, instead of one single HV connector, has 2 HV
connectors on the front of the pack, one for the motor, the other for the
cabin heater:

1) How was cabin heat is supplied from the pack in the 2011-2012 LEAFs as
there's no connector on the front of the pack for cabin heat?

2) Please confirm that dealerships use an adapter cable that mates the
2013-2015 pack ports to the 2011-2012 vehicle (best case scenario)

3) If no adapter, is the motor HV connector identical? In other words, if
installed as-is, without any mod, the net effect is loss of cabin heat.
(worst case scenario).
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181223

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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-GM-cuts-50-jobs-Brownstown-MI-battery-Bolt-EV-plant-tp4692261.html
EVLN: GM cuts 50 jobs @Brownstown-MI battery (Bolt EV) plant
GM to lay off about 50 workers at Brownstown battery plant
Dec. 18, 2018  A spokeswoman for GM said Brownstown will continue to support
GM's Orion Assembly plant, which builds the Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles
and self-driving ...
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/12/18/PDTF/7f12729f-7803-4a5a-b4dd-3429189f9976-GMBatteryBrownstown06.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Berkeley-CA-s-Hochschild-enjoys-his-2017-Chevy-Bolt-EV-tp4692262.html
EVLN: Berkeley-CA's Hochschild enjoys his 2017 Chevy Bolt EV
Family man feels 'right at home' in Chevy Bolt
December 18, 2018  This car has real punch, and while sitting inside the
Bolt's quiet interior with only the whisper of the electric motor, it is
easy to suddenly find yourself hitting 90 ...
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/77/36/65/16641403/5/1024x1024.jpg


+
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-fastcharge-prototype-charging-station-ultra-high-power-charging-technology-electric-vehicle-16606.html
Ultra-high-power charging technology for the electric vehicle of the future
12/13/2018 ... prototype for a charging station with an output of up to 450
kW yesterday in Jettingen-Scheppach ... suitable for electric models of all
brands with the European standard Type 2 variant of the widely used Combined
Charging System (CCS), and is now available for use free of charge. A
Porsche ... 90 kWh achieved a charging capacity of over 400 kW on the new
charging station, allowing for charging times of less than 3 minutes for the
first 100 km range ...
https://newsroom.porsche.com/image/teaser_700x395x1_5/4d735915-5750-4fdc-b096-a21d36dd9b3f.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Farmers-EV-owners-must-work-together-4environmental-concerns-tp4692216.html
Farmers &EV-owners must work together 4environmental concerns
Letter: Electric vehicle owners and farmers must work together
Some years ago, I purchased an electric car out of concern for the
environment. I suspect some farmers are producing biofuels ...
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/08/22/PDEM/d372918d-008a-4966-8b03-4e3ccba11c38-MidA.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: Berkeley-CA's Hochschild enjoys his 2017 Chevy Bolt EV

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.sfgate.com/cars/article/Family-man-feels-right-at-home-in-Chevy-Bolt-13476299.php
Family man feels ‘right at home’ in Chevy Bolt

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David Hochschild of Berkeley drives a 2017 Chevy Bolt

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]

David Hochschild is a commissioner with the California Energy Commission,
where his work focuses on advancing renewable energy in California.
Hochschild grew up in San Francisco but now lives in Berkeley with his wife,
Cynthia, their daughters, Rosa and Sonia, and their dog, Pepper.

My first automotive love was a sleek, green 1978 MGB convertible that I got
in my late 20s. It was a beautiful, curvy, temperamental car with equal
supplies of character and electrical problems. Now I am in my late 40s and I
have fallen in love again, this time with an electric car — the Chevy Bolt.

I had never aspired to own a Chevy, but I had been waiting for a mainstream
electric car to hit the market and loved the idea of charging a car with
solar panels on my roof instead of having to go to a gas station.

So I got on the waiting list for the Tesla Model 3, but by the time I signed
up, I was ranked number 300,000. It appeared that it would be a few years
before a Tesla would be available, so when the Chevy Bolt debuted a year and
a half ago, I took my daughter down to the dealership to try it out.

At the Chevy dealership, they didn’t know much about the car, besides
letting me take it for a spin. My expectations were low, but when I got in I
suddenly felt right at home.

I am 6 feet 3 inches tall and was surprised that I fit nicely with plenty of
room to spare. That the car manages to feel roomy while being compact is a
tribute to the design team — and it was easy to park.

The Bolt is slightly shorter than a Toyota Prius, which is a valuable
feature as I am often trying to squeeze into increasingly scarce parking
spaces downtown.

Back during the pre-kids period of my life, I was fully content zipping
around the Bay Area in a two-seater convertible. These days my wife and I
are ferrying our daughters and their friends around non-stop, so I was happy
to see that the Bolt’s back seats were plenty big, as was the trunk.

But let’s be clear — as much as I love my Bolt, it does not look like a
Tesla.

The Bolt may be modern, well crafted and comfortable, but it is not sleek.
However, when stepping on the accelerator, it becomes clear that the name is
nonetheless deserved. This car has real punch, and while sitting inside the
Bolt’s quiet interior with only the whisper of the electric motor, it is
easy to suddenly find yourself hitting 90 mph on the freeway before you
realize it.

Aesthetics aside, my principal concern about buying an electric car was
range, so I smiled when I read a Wall Street Journal review that referred to
the Chevy Bolt as “Prozac for range anxiety.”

With its 238-mile range, the Bolt gets me where I need to go. I live in
Berkeley and work in Sacramento, and I can do that 150-mile roundtrip
without charging up. And when you do need to charge, the handy PlugShare app
shows where all the closest electric vehicle chargers are around you.

Today I can say that the longer I’ve had the car, the more I enjoy it.
Twenty years ago, just after I bought my beloved green MGB, I was at a
stoplight on Stanyan Street at Golden Gate Park, when a beautiful woman on
the street saw the car and asked to get in and take a ride around the block.

I recognize this is unlikely to happen to me in the Bolt — or if it does
happen, it is more likely to be a group of electrical engineers. But driving
my family around in the Bolt, especially as we pass the lines at the gas
station, I have never been happier.
[© sfgate.com]


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https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-fastcharge-prototype-charging-station-ultra-high-power-charging-technology-electric-vehicle-16606.html
Ultra-high-power charging technology for the electric vehicle of the future
12/13/2018 ... prototype for a charging station with an output of up to 450
kW yesterday in Jettingen-Scheppach ... suitable for electric models of all
brands with the European standard Type 2 variant of the widely used Combined
Charging System (CCS), and is now available for use free of charge. A
Porsche ... 90 kWh achieved a charging capacity of over 400 kW on the new
charging station, allowing for charging times of less than 3 minutes for the
first 100 km range ...
https://newsroom.porsche.com/image/teaser_700x395x1_5/4d735915-5750-4fdc-b096-a21d36dd9b3f.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: GM cuts 50 jobs @Brownstown-MI battery (Bolt EV) plant

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2018/12/18/gm-layoffs-brownstown-plant/2352156002/
GM to lay off about 50 workers at Brownstown battery plant
Dec. 18, 2018  Jamie L. LaReau

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Wochit  / John F. Martin for General Motors

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/10/03/PDTF/4e474337-3b42-405d-aaf9-7699c3ca039d-CruiseGen2AV39.jpg
General Motors and Honda have announced a partnership to develop an
autonomous vehicle for Cruise. Cruise Automation Generation 2 Bolt EV AV
self-driving technology on the streets of San Francisco in November 2017.
(Photo: Karl Nielsen)
]

General Motors announced plans to close three assembly plants, one each in
Michigan, Ohio and Ontario before the end of 2019. 

General Motors on Tuesday added about 50 employees in metro Detroit to the
number of production employees who face losing their jobs.

In state filings Tuesday, GM said it will cut 50 jobs at its Brownstown
battery plant at the same time it starts layoffs at its Detroit-Hamtramck
plant, which it said in November will be idled later in 2019. The Brownstown
layoffs had not been previously disclosed. 

The filings said the Brownstown workers and 620 Hamtramck employees will be
laid off in February.

Detroit-Hamtramck makes the Chevrolet Volt [pih] and the Buick LaCrosse. The
plant will end production of the LaCrosse and Volt by March 1. About 1,550
people work at Detroit-Hamtramck.

GM said it will provide notice of the remaining Detroit-Hamtramck layoffs
"closer to the end of production for (Chevrolet) Impala and (Cadillac) CT6."
Sixty days' notice of such layoffs is required by law.

The filing said the layoffs at Detroit-Hamtramck will begin Feb. 18, or in
the 14 days before that, and impact about 620 hourly workers, 28 of whom are
skilled trades employees.

The Brownstown facility, located Downriver west of Trenton, makes the
lithium-ion batteries for the Volt and the mild hybrid LaCrosse. 

GM will cut 37 hourly jobs and 13 salaried jobs in February at Brownstown,
according to a state filing. The Brownstown plant opened in 2010 and employs
110 people, GM said.

A spokeswoman for GM said Brownstown will continue to support GM's Orion
Assembly plant, which builds the Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicles and
self-driving Cruise EVs. Cruise is GM's autonomous vehicle division, based
in San Francisco.

In November, GM said it would end production at three assembly plants:
Detroit-Hamtramck, Lordstown in Ohio and Oshawa in Canada — plus two
transmission plants by the end of 2019. It is cutting more than 14,000
salaried and hourly jobs in the process and ending production of the Volt,
LaCrosse, Chevrolet Impala, Chevrolet Cruze, Cadillac CT6 and Cadillac XTS
sedans. 

More: General Motors to close Detroit, Ohio, Canada plants [
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2018/11/26/ontario-plant-closure/2112539002/
]

More: GM workers say they had 'no warning' of closure [
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2018/11/27/workers-no-warning-closure/2123254002/
]

The targeted plants make traditional sedans that have fallen out of favor as
consumers shift to SUVs. Unless GM gives those plants new vehicles to build,
they will shutter.

GM has said it will add a third vehicle next year to its production lineup
at its plant in Spring Hill, Tennessee. A future Cadillac crossover will be
assembled in Spring Hill. The underused plant already produces the crossover
Cadillac XT5 and GMC Acadia midsize SUV.

The automaker has said many of the affected U.S. production workers at the
factories in question are eligible for jobs at busy plants, including Flint,
Lansing Grand River and Arlington, Texas. The UAW has disputed the
practicality of transfers for many workers, and the affected communities
note that they will suffer in any case. 

GM will also lay off nearly 6,000 of its white-collar workforce early next
year, after 2,250 of them chose to take voluntary buy-out packages. The move
is to trim costs and refocus resources on developing electric and
self-driving cars. GM has said its salaried workforce skills must shift to
the high-tech future of transportation. 

GM leaders have dubbed the plant closures and job cuts a "restructuring" and
"transition," saying the result will be a $6 billion cost saving by the end
of 2020.
[© freep.com]


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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/electric-car-tax-credits-are-popular-and-congress-cant-decide-whether-to-expand-or-abolish-them
Electric-car tax credits are popular — and Congress can't decide whether to
expand or abolish them
December 04, 2018  Plug in America — part of the EV Drive Coalition formed
in November — is calling for the current 200,000 cap to be eliminated either
through congressiona

[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20181222

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Qiantu-dragonfly-Sports-EV-cn-2b-Built-Sold-In-The-U-S-tp4692258.html
EVLN: Qiantu(dragonfly) Sports EV.cn> 2b Built &Sold In The U.S.
Mullen makes deal to bring China's Qiantu electric roadster to the US
Dec. 17th 2018  Mullen, a California-based electric vehicle company,
announced that it secured a deal to bring the Qiantu electric roadster to
the US.
https://i0.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2016/06/quiantu-k50-e1465262775241.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-spied-Honda-s-Urban-EV-testing-on-roads-in-tp4692259.html
EVLN: (spied)> Honda’s Urban EV testing on roads.in
Honda’s first electric car for India spied under testing
2018-12-17  Honda has been caught testing the production version of the
Urban EV concept in Germany and soon it will be available in the worldwide
markets ...
https://www.cartoq.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Honda-Urban-EV.jpg


+
https://www.electrive.com/2018/12/12/with-an-autonomous-e-shuttle-bosch-makes-the-whole-cake/
Bosch to debut autonomous electric shuttle at CES
Dec 12, 2018  Bosch is now following the lead of Continental and ZF by
producing its own self-driving electric shuttle. A preview of the concept EV
for four passengers has just ...
https://www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/bosch_ces_iot_shuttle_bild_1-e1544612868123-888x443.jpg


(know range: drive until guess-o-meter blanks &need 2charge)
https://www.treehugger.com/cars/eliminate-electric-car-range-anxiety-one-dumb-trick.html
Eliminate electric car range anxiety with this one dumb trick
December 18, 2018  Yes, the headline is clickbait. But I highly recommend
trying it ... The vast majority of column inches dedicated to "range
anxiety" are as overblown as they are counterproductive ...
https://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2018/05/Flat-battery.JPG.860x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/e-delivery-KiwiBot-flames-on-berkeley-edu-campus-student-candlelight-vigil-v-tp4692212.html
e-delivery KiwiBot flames on berkeley.edu campus> student candlelight vigil
(v)
Delivery Robot Spontaneously Bursts Into Flames
Dec 17, 2018 ... put out by a bystander who had the presence of mind to grab
a fire extinguisher. ... the broader one is clear: Any electric vehicle with
a sizable battery is a giant firebomb ready to go off under the right
conditions ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: (spied)> Honda’s Urban EV testing on roads.in

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.cartoq.com/hondas-first-electric-car-india/
Honda’s first electric car for India spied under testing
2018-12-17  Shantonil Nag   

[images  
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Honda Urban Ev Production Render

https://www.cartoq.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Honda-Urban-EV-768x399.jpg
Honda Urban Ev
]

It is being reported that the all-new Urban EV concept can become the
first-ever EV from the brand in the Indian market. Honda has been caught
testing the production version of the Urban EV concept in Germany and soon
it will be available in the worldwide markets. India is definitely on the
list of markets being considered for the Urban EV – and probably the only
one that has a chance of any reasonable sales in India.

The Urban EV concept carries a retro design and the model that has been
caught testing under heavy camouflage carries the same outlines. The
production-spec Urban EV carries a lot of similarities to the concept
version of the vehicle. With the tightening emission regulations, most of
the manufacturers would move to the electric or hybrid platforms in the
future and the Urban EV would be Honda’s first-ever fully electric vehicle
in the market. Honda already offers the Accord Hybrid in the Indian market
and the electric Urban EV is expected to be launched in the international
markets by the end of 2019. However, the Indian market would only get the
all-electric vehicle by 2023.

Unlike the concept version of the Urban EV, the production version of the
Urban EV would get the 4-door layout, as you can see above in the render by
Motor1.com [
https://www.motor1.com/news/267750/honda-urban-ev-production-version-render/
]. The extra number of doors would make the car much more practical for
daily. The Urban EV is a designed specifically for the city roads and hence,
the small size of the vehicle would come in handy while crawling through the
narrow city lanes or traffic-infested roads.

The all-new all-electric car would get a lot of interesting features when
launched. One of these features would be the mirrorless exteriors. Honda is
testing exterior cameras instead of the regular mirrors and the live video
is displayed on the screens mounted on the front doors. In the concept
version, the camera was placed in the front fender but the production
version shows the position of the cameras in the conventional ORVM spots.
The headlights remain round in shape but it is not known if they will remain
integrated to the grille like the concept version.

The Urban EV is still quite some time away from the Indian market. The
Indian government has announced the April 2020 deadline for the BS VI norms
to kick in. We may see the government relaxing the rules for the EV vehicles
in the future. Currently, there are no special subsidies for electric
vehicles in India and they are much more expensive when compared to regular
cars. The price of such electric cars needs to come down before Indian
customers start considering them. Also, the Indian government is working to
set-up new EV charging stations that will allow electric vehicle users to
charge their vehicle on the go during long-distance journeys.
[© cartoq.com]


https://www.carwale.com/news/the-urban-ev-could-be-hondas-first-electric-car-for-india/
The Urban EV could be Honda’s first electric car for India
December 15, 2018  Production-ready Honda Urban EV was spotted for the first
time in Germany. - Expected to be launched by the end of next year, India
debut in ...
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...
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(know range: drive until guess-o-meter blanks &need 2charge)
https://www.treehugger.com/cars/eliminate-electric-car-range-anxiety-one-dumb-trick.html
Eliminate electric car range anxiety with this one dumb trick
December 18, 2018  Yes, the headline is clickbait. But I highly recommend
trying it ... The vast majority of column inches dedicated to "range
anxiety" are as overblown as they are counterproductive ...
https://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2018/05/Flat-battery.JPG.860x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg




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[EVDL] EVLN: Qiantu(dragonfly) Sports EV.cn> 2b Built &Sold In The U.S.

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https://electrek.co/2018/12/17/mullen-chinese-qiantu-electric-roadster/
Mullen makes deal to bring China’s Qiantu electric roadster to the US
Dec. 17th 2018  Fred Lambert

[image  
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quiantu-k50
]

Mullen, a California-based electric vehicle company, announced that it
secured a deal to bring the Qiantu electric roadster to the US.

Coda. That’s a name that should ring a bell for those who have been
following electric vehicles for a long time.

The company tried to bring an affordable electric vehicle to market using
LiFePO batteries during the last decade, but they went bankrupt in 2013
after having delivered only a few vehicles.

Mullen bought their assets, and last year they tried to raise $500 million
to bring Coda’s cheap {EV] back to life [
https://electrek.co/2017/09/25/mullen-coda-cheap-all-electric-car-finance/
].

Things haven’t progressed as much as they wanted, but it looks like they
have pivoted to make deals with Chinese companies to bring electric vehicles
to the US.

The latest deal was announced last week with China’s Qiantu.

We reported on Qiantu’s all-electric roadster K50 when they unveiled the
vehicle in China two years ago and back then, they already had the ambition
to bring the vehicle to the US.

Here are some specs that they announced at the time:

“A two-door roadster with an all carbon-fiber body, 0-100 km/h (0-62
mp/h) in 4.6 seconds, two electric motors for a combined 402 bhp and 479 lb
ft of torque (650 Nm) and an estimated range of 300 km (~186 miles).”

Now Mullen says that it reached a deal with Qiantu’s parent company,
CH-Auto, to “homologate and assemble cars in the US for sales in North
America.”

They wrote in a press release:

“In 2020, the Mullen-Qiantu collaboration will launch the Qiantu K50, a
402 bhp all-electric luxury sports car with aluminum frame and carbon fiber
body closures. By importing assembly ready components and utilizing American
sourced key components, the partnership intended by this cooperation will
enable this exciting car to be available to North American consumers at an
unexpectedly affordable cost. A limited number of reservations will be
accepted by Mullen in 2019.”

Mullen Tech CEO and Chairman David Michery added:

“Mullen is thrilled to embark on this journey together with Qiantu to
bring sexy and exciting new options to North American consumers. The 100%
electric Qiantu K50 meets exotic automobile criteria without the exotic
price tag. I believe that we can grow clean transportation in North America
by bringing highly desirable options to market. Mullen Technologies, with
its technology, commercial teams and distribution systems in place is geared
to accomplish exactly that.”

The company is based in Brea, California, but they haven’t confirmed where
the vehicle is going to be assembled.
Electrek’s Take

Well, that’s a big change from the Coda to the Qiantu K50. I think it could
work, but it will all depend on the price tag.

At this point, we are getting used to some insane performance specs from
electric supercars and the Qiantu K50 specs are simply not at that level.

But Mullen says it will not have an “exotic price tag.” Depending on what
that means exactly, I think it could work.

I think there’s a market for exotic looking vehicles that don’t come with
insane specs as long as they have a price that reflects that.

If it’s anything more than $80,000, I don’t see it working.
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Well, the charter is the charter, and it makes sense.

That being said, I prefer to do my talking about fuel cells in other forums.  
And except for this post that I knew would be of interest to many here, I never 
start any threads about fuel cells. And here, am trying to make sure that 
thread stays focused and not run amuck (yep, it’s a small minority always 
ruining it for everyone else).

Personally, as I’ve said before, the exciting thing about this list to me are 
the great hobbyist EV posts we get here.

- Mark

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>> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter)
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

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On 21 Dec 2018 at 4:58, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter)

Correct.  However, if you read this page

http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv

You will find this statement:

"Many years ago, EVDL members decided that fuel cell vehicles and hydrogen 
power were not things they wanted to talk about much. I know, I just quoted 
the charter up there, and it says "the energy storage device ... can [be a] 
... fuel cell ...," but that's what the members decided, and who am I to 
argue?"

IIRC, this was decided with an online poll something over 20 years ago.  I 
think it was Bruce who compiled the votes -- thanks Bruce!

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Re: [EVDL] waymo: clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

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On 21 Dec 2018 at 14:48, Willie via EV wrote:

> "Unbiased" might mean "matches my bias".

And "biased" might mean "doesn't match my bias." 

Which in turn might mean that "they aren't as far to my side as I am."  :-(

On average, today's NPR stations get about as many gripes from the left as 
from the right.  They keep getting more and more gripes from both sides, 
too, no matter how hard they work to be even-handed.  How could it be 
otherwise, when today's politicians have done such a deft job of turning 
their followers into mobs?

The fact is that since their scrappy poverty-stricken origins in the 1970s, 
NPR have become quite staid, conventional, establishment, inoffensive, and 
middle of the road.  I would even say "dull."

They don't call NPR "CNN without pictures" for nothing. :-\

NPR does have a science beat, and the feature and interview shows can be 
pretty good -- but in my experience, most of the news program reporting 
tends to echo what other media say about EVs.

Kinda stinks, but that's the way it is.

PS: for those who don't know, NPR and PBS are completely separate 
organizations.  

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Re: [EVDL] waymo: clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

[Willie via EV]

On 12/21/18 2:37 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:


Bruce,

I see no connection between your links here and NPR. I have KNPR on my 
radio 24/7 and contribute to it monthly. I have never considered it to 
be clueless, rather find it quite informative and unbiased. 


"Unbiased" might mean "matches my bias".   I've always considered NPR to 
have a horrible liberal bias.   I could cite numerous examples but will 
refrain here.


I do listen to quite a bit of NPR programming and enjoy much of it.

I do hold my nose and contribute annually to our local station.
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

For those with a strong aversion to relying on fossil fuels, the use of 
non-petroleum gas is certainly more virtuous than using regular Nat gas.

For those concerned about greenhouse gases emissions, use of non-fossil natural 
gas can result in a net *decrease* of GHG emissions.(if you have questions on 
this, the best place to look at the California Air Resources Board individual 
approved pathways for GHG reductions).

And yes, many of us remain excited about electrolytic hydrogen using renewable 
energy sources, particularly since it can help solve the problems many 
countries are running into where wind/solar resource use needs to be curtailed.

Perhaps the most exciting thing about the Hydrogen Council announcement is the 
breadth of company CEOs that have signed on to the commitment.

- Mark

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> On Dec 21, 2018, at 5:24 AM, Willie  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/21/18 6:58 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>> Willie,
>> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in 
>> there just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but 
>> perhaps it isn’t OT.
>> Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question 
>> I’m not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a “source”. 
>> So I’ll avoid thread-crapping my own thread.
> 
> Well, you seemed to be our window to the hydrogen world.  Surely "the 
> hydrogen people" have some real or hoped for solutions to the distribution 
> and efficiencies problems.  Else, they would not be pursuing.  At least 
> sincere and honest people would not be pursuing.
> 
>> Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don’t 
>> know what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think 
>> that it would also include non-petroleum based natural gas.
> 
> The concept of "non-petroleum natural gas" was foreign to me.  But I now see 
> and guess that might be feed lot and landfill methane.  I don't see how 
> "non-petroleum natural gas" would be more virtuous than real natural gas. Or 
> somehow be associated with "decarbonized hydrogen".  Of course, "cracked 
> water" has the advantage of being free of the carbon stigma if the electric 
> power used has wind/PV/etc sources.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

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Re: [EVDL] waymo: clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

[Gail Lucas via EV]

Bruce,

I see no connection between your links here and NPR. I have KNPR on my 
radio 24/7 and contribute to it monthly. I have never considered it to 
be clueless, rather find it quite informative and unbiased. Fresh Air is 
an interview program, covers lots of viewpoints of various artists, 
educators, politicians, writers and musicians. AFAIK it is not promoted 
as a news source although it may sometimes be one.


Gail

On 12/21/2018 8:47 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

[off t]

Below is a link to a waymo newswire. The vehicle was not an EV.
After that is a link to show there is plenty of news of waymo av/ai NPR is
clueless about:

https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1120594_self-driving-car-engineer-drove-cross-country-without-touching-steering-wheel

https://www.google.com/search?q=Driverless+car+road+trip+waymo


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[EVDL] 2013-2015 LEAF Battery Pack Install in a 2011-2012 LEAF

[Dex's Chris via EV]

Our project involves the installation of a 2015 donor pack into a 2011 car.
Since the 2013-2015 pack, instead of one single HV connector, has 2 HV
connectors on the front of the pack, one for the motor, the other for the
cabin heater:

1) How was cabin heat is supplied from the pack in the 2011-2012 LEAFs as
there's no connector on the front of the pack for cabin heat?

2) Please confirm that dealerships use an adapter cable that mates the
2013-2015 pack ports to the 2011-2012 vehicle (best case scenario)

3) If no adapter, is the motor HV connector identical? In other words, if
installed as-is, without any mod, the net effect is loss of cabin heat.
(worst case scenario).
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Willie, 

Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there 
just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps 
it isn’t OT.

Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question I’m 
not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a “source”. So I’ll 
avoid thread-crapping my own thread.

Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don’t know 
what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think that it 
would also include non-petroleum based natural gas.

- Mark

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> On Dec 21, 2018, at 4:33 AM, Willie via EV  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/20/18 7:49 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”
>> - Mark
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>>> On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of 
>>> decades, and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a 
>>> bit less.
> 
> Assuming hydrogen vehicles are off topic here as you indicate, perhaps you 
> can point me to information that supports your apparent belief that there is 
> a future for hydrogen?
> 
> I supposed "decarbonized hydrogen" is from electrically "cracked" water 
> rather than from natural gas?  Will any source you cite address the 
> efficiency and distribution problems?
> 
> Hydrogen does seem like a very obvious dead end to me but I'm open to 
> additional information.  I do find it intriguing that Toyota, Nikola and 
> others seem so willing to pour money down an apparent rat hole.  Though I do 
> understand that Toyota's primary motivation is delay of EV progress.
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[EVDL] waymo: clarify my points: auton EVs on NPR Fresh Air program ...

[brucedp5 via EV]

[off t]

Below is a link to a waymo newswire. The vehicle was not an EV. 
After that is a link to show there is plenty of news of waymo av/ai NPR is
clueless about:

https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1120594_self-driving-car-engineer-drove-cross-country-without-touching-steering-wheel

https://www.google.com/search?q=Driverless+car+road+trip+waymo




For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
 http://evdl.org/archive/


{brucedp.neocities.org}

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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

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Re: [EVDL] 2011-2012 VS 2013-2015 LEAF Battery Packs

[Jay Summet via EV]

I'm afraid I CC'd an old/outdated email address for Cor.

I don't know his current address, but if you post your question on the 
EV email list he is on that and there are a lot of other people who may 
have answers as well.


http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#subs

Jay

On 12/21/18 2:31 AM, Dex's Chris wrote:

Hello Jay,

In Benjamin Nelson's video 
, your comment was: "I just 
opened my 2013, and there are a few changes: 1) two HV connectors on the 
front, one for the motor, the other for the cabin heater."


Our project involves the installation of a 2015 donor pack into a 2011 
car.  Our questions are: 1) How was cabin heat is supplied from the 
pack in the 2011-2012 LEAFs as there's no connector on the front of the 
pack for cabin heat?  2)  Are the motor HV connectors identical? (i.e. 
if installed as-is, without any mod, the net effect is loss of cabin heat)


Any insight or advice is appreciated!

Regards,
Dex
Dallas, TX
469.765.7621

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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

[Willie via EV]

On 12/21/18 6:58 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:

Willie,

Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there 
just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps 
it isn’t OT.

Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question I’m 
not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a “source”. So I’ll 
avoid thread-crapping my own thread.


Well, you seemed to be our window to the hydrogen world.  Surely "the 
hydrogen people" have some real or hoped for solutions to the 
distribution and efficiencies problems.  Else, they would not be 
pursuing.  At least sincere and honest people would not be pursuing.



Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don’t know 
what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think that it 
would also include non-petroleum based natural gas.


The concept of "non-petroleum natural gas" was foreign to me.  But I now 
see and guess that might be feed lot and landfill methane.  I don't see 
how "non-petroleum natural gas" would be more virtuous than real natural 
gas. Or somehow be associated with "decarbonized hydrogen".  Of course, 
"cracked water" has the advantage of being free of the carbon stigma if 
the electric power used has wind/PV/etc sources.


Thanks!
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Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

[Willie via EV]

On 12/20/18 7:49 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone


On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:

Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades, 
and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a bit less.


Assuming hydrogen vehicles are off topic here as you indicate, perhaps 
you can point me to information that supports your apparent belief that 
there is a future for hydrogen?


I supposed "decarbonized hydrogen" is from electrically "cracked" water 
rather than from natural gas?  Will any source you cite address the 
efficiency and distribution problems?


Hydrogen does seem like a very obvious dead end to me but I'm open to 
additional information.  I do find it intriguing that Toyota, Nikola and 
others seem so willing to pour money down an apparent rat hole.  Though 
I do understand that Toyota's primary motivation is delay of EV progress.


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