Re: [EVDL] NDEW 9/14 Austin; vw's E.America L3 EVSE @Walmart sa
1st I'll answer some replies:
Willie sez >Did you see any cars charging? <
No, for the half hour I was there, no plugins came. All those new L3 EVSE
not being used.
As I mentioned, as I arrived there was only one tired EVSE tech there for a
few minutes who
didn't want to talk, as he sat in his SUV-ice running the A/C ad taking more
repair calls.
There were a fair share of homeless camped out near by, either sleeping it
off, or chugging
a beer (that part of San Antonio-East is not a place I would want to live
at).
I'll assume no L3 users came while I was there because: plugshare.com showed
driver
complaints= those vw EVSE are unusable. Add to that the location isn'tjust
off a major
highway (its hard to find). I had to drive over some rough raunchy roads to
get there.
With only 1 50kW labeled CHAdeMO, like is likely not working and really at
208VAC only
puts out 44kW= its not worth any driver's time, when plugshare.com shows
other
CHAdeMO nearby that is working.
IMO, bottom-line: vw just threw $ at this installation, no effort seems
to have been
made to satisfy driver's needs (so-much for all of vw's pr of how their
efforts are for
their E.America to electrify the U.S.).
Tom sez > ... the first one on had to finish before the second one would
start up ... <
I've seen that before in the old days of a blink/ccg dual CHAdeMO L3 EVSE
https://www.blinknetwork.com/file/18400/featured2
The E.america EVSE were not blink. Since there weren't two L3 users there,
I can't state
that does not happen. But I'll assume with $ vw threw at all these
high-power ccs
EVSE they likely didn't go cheap as only power one port of 2 at a time.
Drivers will just
have-to continue using plugshare.com on this site to know when it is up, and
how well
it works.
Now, the 2019 NDEW Austin EVent I attended on 9/14.
It was an early morning 2hr drive north on I35 (me doing it safely in the
right lane
@60mph on a 70mph hwy). I was saddened to see the sunrise as an orange ball
(Austin
has air pollution). That and as I looked out across the prairie flatland I
saw gray air
pollution. These were the same sights I saw as a boy in the 1960's of the
beginnings of
air pollution in the SF-CA bay area. This only gave me more incentive to
attend the
EVent and let fellow Texans know not to let that happen here (everyone I
talked to
about it agreed).
The EVent was well coordinated as there was a fair selection of EVs
(production and a couple
of clean, nice looking conversions), pih, e-motorcycles, e-bicycles,
e-scooters, and a 1wheel
e-board (thingy).
I though the gal that made this EVent happen did a pretty good job
considering she had
been given the task only a few weeks before hand and (like the coordinator
that I've been
working with for the San Antonio (sa) NDEW EVent 9/21), she had also had all
her other
regular job duties to also perform (the coordinator's plate was already full
when they go the
NDEW assignment).
They did have 1 media outlet come with their camera crew. But there was next
to nil/no
public foot traffic at this location. What few public did come were like at
every EVent I've
been to over the past 30 years. People come right at the end of the show
when drivers are
packing/buttoning up to leave.
Was the EVent worth all my extra effort to attend. Yup.
I thought I did pretty well (for an old man pushing a rollator/walker). I
wore my Texas ranch
hand hat to reduce sunburning (I must have been quite a sight). I'm hoping
my presence
and the information I passed on of my experiences was helpful those I talked
to. It gives
me hope that I can continue to help-out at these events for my last years
(my personal goal).
Now I'm psyching myself up for next Saturday's 9/21 NDEW EVent here in sa
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Re: [EVDL] 2014 Chevy Volt V2H Power Draw Limits?
On 9/14/19 5:32 PM, Dan Baker via EV wrote: Those high wattage 12v inverters certainly push the limits for something to melt. A 2 KW model would need 150+ amps to run, certainly no cigarette lighter socket could provide. According to my blue sea circuit app, even a short 3ft cable to the battery should have a 3/0 gauge size! Also keep in mind the size of cable going from the 12v OEM battery to the OEM's DC2DC converter! Some of them may not be planning on charging the battery at 150 amps ;> I think a 1500 watt inverter with a continuous load of no more than 1000 watts would be relatively safe. I've certainly heard of people doing that with both the Leaf and Volt. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
On 9/15/19 1:01 PM, Josh L wrote: I would ask if perhaps you and others, if you drive Teslas, could start making a little bit more clear to Tesla that here in Santa Cruz County, Arizona, on the way to Mexico from Tucson, we have no DCFC of any sort (and we have only one proper J1772, and that's because I partnered with someone to put it in), and if they could see it in their hearts, it might eventualy get some use if they could put something in (though I must admit, it's not a major thoroughfare, and I would predict any supercharger here will not get good use at first, so they might want to compromise by first taking the low cost measure of working with some hotels in Nogales, AZ to put in destination charging, and then see how that goes.) I guess you've been here:? https://www.tesla.com/charging-partners I imagine you have lobbied potential Destination Charge hosts? It's really quite a deal. At least, it used to be. The hosts get free Wall Connectors and likely a J1772 also. They agree to install and not charge a fee for charging. They can restrict charging to customers. I was thrilled a couple of years ago when Matehuala completed the chain to central Mexico. To the point of getting a new passport. Sadly, I got cold feet when I started reading about State Department Mexico travel advisories. This year's long trip was to Canada so I did get to use the passport. Are you a frequent traveler to Mexico? If so, do you have comments on travel safety? I'm guessing Puerto Penasco and Guaymas are attractive destinations from your area? About 30 years ago, my wife and I went to Basaseachi (from Texas) in an Isuzu pickup, then finished crossing the mountains to Hermosillo (where we were able to get suspension repairs) on a not completed Hwy 16. I look forward to eventually seeing what progress has been made on that road. For example, if I go to (or call) one of the local Hyundai dealers, so far the answer on getting a Kona BEV is "no". Tesla wants to sell you a car. Traditional dealers do not. Screw 'em. Help Tesla eat their lunch. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:01:37 -0700, Josh L via EV you wrote: >On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:35:00 -0500, Willie via EV > you wrote: >>Here is a suggestion. Go to: >>https://supercharge.info/map >>set range to about 150 and turn all range circles on. That will show >>the areas that are farther than 150 miles from a SuperCharger. 100-150 >>miles from your home is near optimal SuperCharger siting for road trips. >> For a trip, you burn off some charge going in your chosen direction to >>the nearest SuperCharger, charge, then you on on your way. >> >>You my like the dealer experience. Most Tesla buyers much prefer doing >>everything online. That is, you can buy a Tesla where ever you live. >>You may need to drive a hundred miles or more to pick up. Or, Tesla may >>bring your new car to you. >> >>With a ~300 mile car and home charging, you likely need no public >>charging infrastructure. How many days do you drive more than 200 miles >>locally? >>___ >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >>INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) PS: two other things: 1) Yes, I think so far my dealer experience with Tesla has been pretty good, in trying to figure things out pre-sale. The transparency and reduced hassle are both better than with a regular dealer, and I like the idea of buying from Tesla directly. 2) Regarding the supercharger map you referenced, if you draw a circle around that giant blank spot in Northwestern Mexico, I am on the periphery of that circle, just inside the US, south of Tucson. I am not privy to Tesla's data as to how the decisions have been made not to install supercharging in Northwestern Mexico or Baja to this point, and there may be some good reasons, and I am not complaining. Heck, Tesla's excellent partnership work with Grupo Posadas has been largely responsible for having any decent L2 charging at all throughout vast portions of Mexico, outside of a few auto dealerships, and I was able to make use of this a few weeks ago. But, looking at the map, I just thought I'd point out the vast emptiness that is there. Yes, I'm well aware that Tesla has installed some wonderful and useful superchargers north of me that my fellow EV Association members make use of. This will be a factor in my next trade-in decision, compared to the inconsistent/unreliable (so far) EA CCS or endlessly-delayed stations that have gone in, in the same area. > >Thanks Willie, I like your enthusiasm for driving a Tesla, and >there's no way for you to know that I'm already aware of the >points you make. I'm not quite there as to being able >comfortably to affording a used Tesla, and so too I think the >same can be said of a decent portion of the citizens of North >America, but yes, I'll be getting one, probably sooner rather >than later. > >I would ask if perhaps you and others, if you drive Teslas, >could start making a little bit more clear to Tesla that here in >Santa Cruz County, Arizona, on the way to Mexico from Tucson, we >have no DCFC of any sort (and we have only one proper J1772, and >that's because I partnered with someone to put it in), and if >they could see it in their hearts, it might eventualy get some >use if they could put something in (though I must admit, it's >not a major thoroughfare, and I would predict any supercharger >here will not get good use at first, so they might want to >compromise by first taking the low cost measure of working with >some hotels in Nogales, AZ to put in destination charging, and >then see how that goes.) > >None of this changes what I've said. I guess I would just >change the wording "large portions of North America" to >something like "some decent-sized areas or pockets in North >America where there are very few of the good long-range BEVs >available for purchase at dealers." I am emphasizing the dealer >portion of this discussion because once the vehicles are >actually locally on the road, then I think it's natural for >their to be a louder chorus of local drivers who ask for public >charge infrastructure. > >For example, if I go to (or call) one of the local Hyundai >dealers, so far the answer on getting a Kona BEV is "no". >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:35:00 -0500, Willie via EV you wrote: > > >On 9/15/19 9:50 AM, Josh L via EV wrote: >> >> fwiw, I think some (but perhaps not all) of these conditions >> exist in large portions of the North American continent. At >> least, near where I live, the dealers still do not sell plug-in >> vehicles. Yes, a few Teslas and such are popping up (though >> very slowly) and you can go 70 miles away to go to a Chevy >> dealer or the like for a BEV or PHEV, but it's not very close >> by, and there is almost no public charge infrastructure. > >Here is a suggestion. Go to: >https://supercharge.info/map >set range to about 150 and turn all range circles on. That will show >the areas that are farther than 150 miles from a SuperCharger. 100-150 >miles from your home is near optimal SuperCharger siting for road trips. > For a trip, you burn off some charge going in your chosen direction to >the nearest SuperCharger, charge, then you on on your way. > >You my like the dealer experience. Most Tesla buyers much prefer doing >everything online. That is, you can buy a Tesla where ever you live. >You may need to drive a hundred miles or more to pick up. Or, Tesla may >bring your new car to you. > >With a ~300 mile car and home charging, you likely need no public >charging infrastructure. How many days do you drive more than 200 miles >locally? >___ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) Thanks Willie, I like your enthusiasm for driving a Tesla, and there's no way for you to know that I'm already aware of the points you make. I'm not quite there as to being able comfortably to affording a used Tesla, and so too I think the same can be said of a decent portion of the citizens of North America, but yes, I'll be getting one, probably sooner rather than later. I would ask if perhaps you and others, if you drive Teslas, could start making a little bit more clear to Tesla that here in Santa Cruz County, Arizona, on the way to Mexico from Tucson, we have no DCFC of any sort (and we have only one proper J1772, and that's because I partnered with someone to put it in), and if they could see it in their hearts, it might eventualy get some use if they could put something in (though I must admit, it's not a major thoroughfare, and I would predict any supercharger here will not get good use at first, so they might want to compromise by first taking the low cost measure of working with some hotels in Nogales, AZ to put in destination charging, and then see how that goes.) None of this changes what I've said. I guess I would just change the wording "large portions of North America" to something like "some decent-sized areas or pockets in North America where there are very few of the good long-range BEVs available for purchase at dealers." I am emphasizing the dealer portion of this discussion because once the vehicles are actually locally on the road, then I think it's natural for their to be a louder chorus of local drivers who ask for public charge infrastructure. For example, if I go to (or call) one of the local Hyundai dealers, so far the answer on getting a Kona BEV is "no". ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
eans the
>> company has to import vehicles from California primarily. It offers the
>> opportunity to go electric for those who can't afford the price of new EVs.
>> Jim Steil was trained as an electrical engineer before he decided to dive
>> into the EV market. (Sarah Lawrynuik/CBC)
>>
>> One of the biggest perks with EVs that people tend not to know about, is how
>> little maintenance they require, Steil explained. Steils says he thinks
>> dealerships won't be pushing for more EV sales for this reason unless
>> there's a legislated requirement to.
>>
>> "If I owned a dealership I would be quite afraid of what is inevitable and
>> which is the replacement of gas vehicles by electric vehicles on their lots,
>> because all of those service bays are gonna be empty," Steil said in an
>> interview with CBC News.
>>
>> But Ducharme from the Motor Vehicles Association disagrees, saying "there'll
>> still always be a need for servicing."
>> The Tesla exception
>>
>> Tesla has fewer than a dozen brick-and-mortar stores in Canada and
>> paradoxically it is one of the few EV companies that's prioritized sales in
>> Alberta, putting the only Tesla location outside of B.C., Quebec and
>> Ontario, right here in Calgary.
>>
>> The Model 3 was the number one selling electric model in Canada in the first
>> quarter of 2019 and that seems unlikely to change given that it's been
>> included in the federal incentive program, after originally being excluded.
>>
>> To York, the cars are sleek, sure, but where the other brands really need to
>> catch up to Tesla is in salesmanship. With the new technology and new
>> experiences, salespeople need to be able to answer more questions on a topic
>> that remains largely foreign to them.
>>
>> "There's all these good resources like PlugShare and independent research
>> that's been put together by Nissan Leaf owners on battery degradation and
>> Tesla owners on battery degradation that the dealership employees really
>> need to be aware of in order to land a sale. And I think that's just lacking
>> here in Alberta."
>>
>> The mish-mash of policies regarding EVs across Canada is causing clear
>> "distortions" in the market, says Brendan Frank, a research associate with
>> Canada's Ecofiscal Commision.
>>
>> "The federal government has rolled out a series of policies, and I don't
>> think it's for us to say what the right balance is," Frank said. "It would
>> help if the provinces spoke to each other a little bit more on on this
>> issue."
>>
>> Neither EV enthusiasts nor car market experts foresee significant changes in
>> Alberta any time soon, so without some form of change, it seems likely
>> Alberta's EV market will be left further in the dust.
>> [© cbc.ca]
>>
>>
>> +
>> https://www.insauga.com/something-new-is-coming-to-pearson-airport-in-mississauga
>> Something New is Coming to Pearson Airport in
>> Mississauga
>> August 1, 2019 Reducing pollution from transportation is essential, said
>> McKenna. Investing in electric vehicles is a practical and effective way
>> for Canada to reduce pollution ...
>> https://www.insauga.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/lead-image-full/article/2019/07/pearson_2.jpg
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Re: [EVDL] 2014 Chevy Volt V2H Power Draw Limits? (And Data point)
Its a 2 kW converter and it is assumed the car draws 500W. So the answer is around 1500W continuous, thought you can draw many kW for brief periods if your wires and your inverter can handle it. DATA POINT: At an EV demo yesterday I ran a demo yesterdy of 40 light bulbs to simulate a house, (only 300W) in 5 hours, I used about 10 miles range which is about right. Bob On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 8:55 PM moskowitz via EV wrote: > Thanks! Nice to know. > > > Do you have any idea how much wattage you can draw from the 12 V battery > without causing it to exceed the DC-DC charge rate and be fully discharged? > > > > Len > > > - > > > On September 13, 2019 at 9:49 PM Cor van de Water < > cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Len, > > > > The Lead acid battery is charged using the DC-DC converter from the > main traction pack, so it is the same (you can actually disconnect the 12V > battery as soon as you have started the car and don’t do anything to cause > a load dump or turn the car off). > > > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190914/b8957267/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20190915/ee31bef0/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
On 9/15/19 9:50 AM, Josh L via EV wrote: fwiw, I think some (but perhaps not all) of these conditions exist in large portions of the North American continent. At least, near where I live, the dealers still do not sell plug-in vehicles. Yes, a few Teslas and such are popping up (though very slowly) and you can go 70 miles away to go to a Chevy dealer or the like for a BEV or PHEV, but it's not very close by, and there is almost no public charge infrastructure. Here is a suggestion. Go to: https://supercharge.info/map set range to about 150 and turn all range circles on. That will show the areas that are farther than 150 miles from a SuperCharger. 100-150 miles from your home is near optimal SuperCharger siting for road trips. For a trip, you burn off some charge going in your chosen direction to the nearest SuperCharger, charge, then you on on your way. You my like the dealer experience. Most Tesla buyers much prefer doing everything online. That is, you can buy a Tesla where ever you live. You may need to drive a hundred miles or more to pick up. Or, Tesla may bring your new car to you. With a ~300 mile car and home charging, you likely need no public charging infrastructure. How many days do you drive more than 200 miles locally? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Alberta.ca's EV sales= low-priority> left further in the dust from petro.ca pride
fwiw, I think some (but perhaps not all) of these conditions exist in large portions of the North American continent. At least, near where I live, the dealers still do not sell plug-in vehicles. Yes, a few Teslas and such are popping up (though very slowly) and you can go 70 miles away to go to a Chevy dealer or the like for a BEV or PHEV, but it's not very close by, and there is almost no public charge infrastructure. On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 12:12:22 -0500 (CDT), brucedp5 via EV you wrote: > >https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ev-sales-alberta-falls-behind-1.5230776 >Want to buy an EV? Slow down there, we're in Alberta >Aug 01, 2019 Sarah Lawrynuik > >[image >https://i.cbc.ca/1.5231077.1564527248!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/tesla-model-x.jpg >A Tesla Model X parked on Lake Minnewanka near Banff, Alta. (Adam >Eustace/Electric Vehicle Association of Alberta) >] > >Legislation in other provinces is ensuring electric sales in Alberta arent >a priority > >If you are one of the few Albertans itching to join the electric vehicle (or >plug-in hybrid) club, you will find an altogether different car buying >experience from what you've been used to before. > >At some dealerships you'll find salespeople climbing into the car with you >for a test drive with the car's manual in hand because they've never been >in one of these cars either. At another, you'll be told you can't test drive >their EV models because the manufacturer isn't sending any to Alberta. You >can still buy it, but it will have to be sight unseen and the wait for it >to arrive could be well into 2020. > >If you're in the market for an EV, you might be inclined to visit a Kia >dealership to check out the Niro EV or the Soul EV, since they are two of >the most moderately priced, mid-sized EVs on the market. But that will only >lead you to learn that Kia is not currently selling any electric models in >Alberta, nor are they offering service for EVs if you actually go through >the effort to buy one of their cars out of province. > >As an explanation for this strategic decision, Kia Canada communications >manager Mark James said that as supply of vehicles grows, the company will >be expanding into new markets, but for now, Alberta isn't a priority. > >"Right now we focus the limited availability of product on those markets >that not only offer incentives to consumers but also offer the required >infrastructure to support the vehicles," James said in an email. > >All of this begs the question: How has Alberta fallen so far behind? > >Incentives, quotas and petro pride > >In the first quarter of 2019, the total number of electric vehicles on the >road in Canada cracked 100,000. The number in this province is just over >2,200. > >[image] Approx. total Canadian EV ownership by province > >Alberta does not have any government incentives in place to encourage the >move to EVs or plug-in hybrids (PHEVs). This stands in contrast to Quebec, >which offers up to $8,000; and B.C., where rebate incentives can hit $3,000. > >Ontario used to offer up to $14,000, but that was scrapped by the Ford >government after it was elected in 2018. > >So, despite the federal [.ca] government offering incentives of up to $5,000 >from coast to coast, the rebate opportunities are not equal across >provinces. > >[image] EV sales by province > >There are a handful of reasons beyond Alberta's lack of a rebate program >that have caused the lag in sales here. The first thing that might come to >mind is the Alberta pride in the oil and gas industry; the rise of >petro-patriotism, as coined by Maclean's. > >"There's a mentality here that somewhat naturally opposes EV ownership >because they're perceived whether true or not as a threat to the oil and >gas industry because oil is used for transportation fuels and the EVs don't >use that," said William York, a director for the Electric Vehicle >Association of Alberta. > >York said another hurdle presents itself in the fact that Alberta is truck >and SUV country, and so far what is available in those categories of vehicle >isn't pushing people to buy electric yet. > >That could change if companies like Ford keep putting out ads like the one >they released earlier this month, bragging about their F-150 all-electric >prototype truck being able to pull over a million pounds. Or companies like >GM keep making commitments to make their entire fleet electric. > >Ford unveiled its electric F-150 prototype in a commercial released in July. >(Ford/YouTube) > >But the biggest reason for other provinces surging ahead in the EV market is >the implementation of quota regulations. > >Don Pittis: Zero-emission rules mean fewer electric car choices for most >Canadians > >"There's no incentive for car makers to bring vehicles to Alberta," >explained Matthew Klippenstein, a Burnaby-based engineer and the EV advisor >for the not-for-profit Plug-In B.C. > >To understand what Klippenstein means by that,
[EVDL] wish-list for public charging
I wish that there was a place where we could in effect register our votes for places to put public charging. Does anyone know if one of the crowd-sourced public mapping systems (such as plugshare) tried to do this? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
