Solar panels on my roof reduce my heating load a significant amount. Good
design of homes and home sites make a difference. Part of solarization
will be automatic attention to such things.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
The more I think about
Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Not everyone has a suburban ranch home with 2000 sq ft of roof. Many
urban dwellers live in apartments with a tiny apportioned amount of roof
space. Others have used the roof for other purposes - such as south
facing clerestorey windows or a roof garden. Others may
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I don't have that much unshaded roof either, but it is still worth
having the PV.
I have a useful PV array at my home but I need a good bit more to power
automobiles. However, I don't care if the utilities start using major
Yes, I would gladly participate also. As Cor said, it is mainly short bursts
of power not adding up to much energy per vehicle. As long as I can set a
don't go below SoC on the vehicle computer it would be fine. In fact it
would be an incentive to me when considering which manufactured ev to
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:29 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I'm no expert, but I suppose it might come to pass if PV efficiency jumps
and cost tumbles,
PV efficiency is already plenty. The insolation on the average single-family
home's roof at today's efficiency is
On 8 Jan 2015 at 20:14, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
I think that the grid's days are numbered. ... Right now, we're about
where we were when the Motorola brick mobile phone came out..
This is an interesting and rather heady notion. How cool would that be,
doing to the power company what we can
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote:
I heard Elon Musk claim that you could provide all the current global power
use with 100 square miles of PV. A friend and I roughed that out and he is
not far off (there are a lot of assumptions you can make to vary it
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Not everyone has [...]
Of course not.
Just as EVs aren't suitable for everybody, either.
But exceptions, even if numerous, don't invalidate the usage for huge swaths of
the population.
Obviously, if you live in a
The insolation on the average single-family home's roof at today's
efficiency is virtually always some multiple, generally some very
significant multiple, of the home's electricity use.
I do solar thermal testing. You can use 1000W/m^2 as a useful number for
estimation. I have seen 1300W/m^2 on
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Not everyone has a suburban ranch home with 2000 sq ft of roof. Many
urban dwellers live in apartments with a tiny apportioned amount
I don't have that much unshaded roof either, but it is still worth having
the PV.
I have a useful PV array at my home but I need a good bit more to power
automobiles. However, I don't care if the utilities start using major PV
and putting it on the grid. To me the grid is a good thing. I am
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution
On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:29 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I'm no expert, but I suppose
simply have BMW, TESLA or GM or any other EV MFR that has direct
wireless remote control of their vehicles oesystem implement the
charging/grid algorithm since they alreadyave the REMOTE CHARGE
CONTROL system to the car.
Then the only finance negotiation is between the Utility and the Car
It may be that I'm misunderstanding this idea. However, I find it a little
disconcerting. I can maybe see it for a leased EV, though I don't think I
personally would accept it.
As I understand it, they would pay you to allow them the control. If they don't
offer enough money to interest you,
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simply have BMW, TESLA or GM or any other EV MFR that has direct
wireless remote control of their vehicles oesystem implement the
charging/grid algorithm since they alreadyave the REMOTE CHARGE
CONTROL system
Drivers clearly can opt out:
/In all likelihood, not all participating drivers will agree to delay
charging each time the system sends an alert — they could be on the road or
know they need a full charge soon. So BMW will tap a bank of used
electric-car batteries, located at the automaker’s
The more I think about it, the more I think that the grid's days are numbered.
No, not that it'll go away entirely -- at least, not for a lifetime or more.
But, rather, that, in ten to twenty years, people will be as comfortable not
having a grid connection as they are today not having a
Subject: EV Demand Response - backdoor solution
Unless I misunderstand this, This concept can bring demand response to
EV charging almost overnight without having to modify every charger in
America and every EV in America. It is simple… BMW pays drivers who allow
up to 1 hour differed
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On 7 Jan 2015 at 13:22, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
simply have BMW, TESLA or GM or any other EV MFR
On 7 Jan 2015 at 13:22, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
simply have BMW, TESLA or GM or any other EV MFR that has direct
wireless remote control of their vehicles oesystem implement the
charging/grid algorithm since they already have the REMOTE CHARGE
CONTROL system to the car.
Then the
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