Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car

2016-11-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Nov 2016 at 10:56, David "Battery Boy" Hawkins via EV wrote: > I'm assuming EVerybody caught this story about the Alliance of Automobile > Manufacturers, which includes GM and Toyota? 'Fraid so. :-( Threads started on the 11th and 12th:

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car

2016-11-22 Thread David "Battery Boy" Hawkins via EV
All, I'm assuming EVerybody caught this story about the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which includes GM and Toyota? http://www.autonews.com/article/20161110/OEM11/161119989/automakers-reach-out-to-trump-on-regulation-seek-review-of-fuel -- Suck Amps, Dave "Battery Boy" Hawkins Check

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2016-11-21 Thread tomw via EV
/"Chart 63 says they have known reserves for 150 years."/ Exxon Mobile has energy reserves for many years, that is true, but that doesn't mean they can maintain current production rates for that number of years. Production rate is what is important, not reserves. The production of oil is like a

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2016-11-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I'm not sure what you are implying. Chart 63 says they have known reserves for 150 years. Yes, it's more expensive but the reason production peaked is because the are switching to other sources of energy. I grew up in Oklahoma and I have friends in the oil business. One friend has a chart of

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car

2016-11-20 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car On 20 Nov 2016 at 11:43, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > If China and India and Europe and several countries of S America and > Asia are moving to electric transportation then it is pretty irrelevant > what happens in USA ... I wo

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car

2016-11-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Nov 2016 at 11:43, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > If China and India and Europe and several countries of S America and > Asia are moving to electric transportation then it is pretty irrelevant > what happens in USA ... I wouldn't go so far as to say "irrelevant," because the US is (at

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
When you consider that Exxon Mobile, in their 2016 World Energy Outlook: A View to 2040, (ref: http://cdn.exxonmobil.com/~/media/global/files/outlook-for-energy/2016/2016-outlook-for-energy.pdf) on page 62 of 80, has a graph that clearly shows conventional oil production peaked in 2005. The

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Ed Blackmond via EV
I've decided to be selfish on this issue. I put a deposit down on a BoltEV at my local Chevrolet dealer. I'm told they are expecting 100 to be delivered beginning next week (after Thanksgiving). As I understand it, GM will be selling the BoltEV. I will not lease it. After my experience leasing

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GMonly sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GMonly sellingBolt in CA ... I find it very interesting that since GM suddenly changed how they are going to present the Bolt to the public that we are actually discussing why they made that choice. Cor

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Mark Fr via EV
I emailed GM 5 days ago asking if they are committed to the Bolt roll-out and EV in general. I have not heard back. -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/GM-Killed-The-Bolt-Electric-Car-GM-only-selling-Bolt-in-CA-OR-tp4684542p4684560.html

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2016-11-20 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
e Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ... > > Mark, > > I share the hope. > But I am also wondering why GM suddenly changed their roll-out strategy significantly > (reducing it and making it much more non-committa

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread paul dove via EV
gt; > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_emission_standards > > Peri > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: > Sent:

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread tomw via EV
A few possible reasons for the slowed introduction of the Bolt: 1) LG Chem has had a glitch in increasing battery production so cannot supply the planned quantities in the required time frame. 2) GM has discovered some problems with the Bolt which they do not want to advertise, but need to delay

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Mike Nickerson via EV
Message- >From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark >Abramowitz >via EV >Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:33 AM >To: EVDL Administrator >Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List >Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only >sellingBo

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2016-11-20 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: Peri Hartman [mailto:pe...@kotatko.com] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:09 AM To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Sent: 20-Nov-16 8:50:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ... Mark, I share the hope. But I am also wondering why GM suddenly changed their roll-out strategy significantly (reducing it and making it much more non-committal

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only sellingBolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 12:33 AM To: EVDL Administrator Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ... Date: 11/20/16, 12:00 AM History tells us that -- for better and/or worse -- what governments do makes a bi

Re: [EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ...

2016-11-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
History tells us that -- for better and/or worse -- what governments do makes a big difference in whether EVs advance or retreat. Bruce is 100% correct that GM's specific history predicts their current and future involvement with EVs. As I said a couple of weeks ago, I'm still waiting for

[EVDL] GM Killed The (Bolt) Electric Car : GM only selling Bolt in CA ...

2016-11-19 Thread brucedp5 via EV
In reference to Mike's post http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-EVLN-EV-newswire-posts-for-20161119-tp4684540.html Below is all that is left (the internet has been white-washed) of the hoopla that happened back in 2002 when GM announced they were killing their EV