Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Dec 2018 at 16:58, Steve Heath via EV wrote: > The car is here:  http://www.evalbum.com/5368 Impressive! Even more so when you consider the low cost of conversion. Well done. You're absolutely right about the dismaying bloat of modern cars. For EV conversions, a light glider is the

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Nice job, Steve ! Compliments to you. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Heath" To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: Sent: 07-Dec-18 8:58:58 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance The car is here: http://www.eva

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Steve Heath via EV wrote: I'm not sure that I understand what the further complications are. As far as I can see, it should be just simple math. The energy use measured at the motor should be the same as the energy consumed at the battery, minus some percentage for losses in the controller,

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Steve Heath via EV
The car is here:  http://www.evalbum.com/5368 It's the result of a bet that I couldn't built an EV for £750 (1000$). It is basically an urban run around as most of my driving is in and around Milton Keynes which has the highest density of ev charging points in the UK and many are free! It

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
an" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: Sent: 06-Dec-18 9:28:14 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance It could well be. The charts you refer to have so many caveats that the figures are only a very rough guide. This is one of the major problem of calculating range.

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Dec 2018 at 10:30, Steve Heath via EV wrote: > To me it is very important as I have a small battery > pack - it is now around 6-7kw - and saving 10 or 20 watts per mile can make a > big difference. Better extend that detention. :-) I don't mean to make a big deal about this, but saying

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Steve Heath via EV
On 06/12/2018 22:09, Roger Stockton via EV wrote: Steve Heath wrote: The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average is 190 and this measurement is based on coulomb counting over the distance. I think you are meaning to state 180-230 Wh/mi? 180-230 mile/kWh would be

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-07 Thread Steve Heath via EV
On 07/12/2018 01:00, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 6 Dec 2018 at 17:28, Steve Heath via EV wrote: The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average is 190 ... If you're getting 190 miles per kWh, I want your EV. I think you probably mean Wh/mile, not miles/kWh.

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:24 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance So, Steve, are you inferring the the 3.2 miles / kWh number could be inaccurate? If it's

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
George Tyler via EV wrote: I know my Prius computers draw a total of 250W standing still. if the leaf was similar, whats 250Wh consumed in an hour even if you did not move. Just a quick data point: My wife drove our 2013 Leaf to choir practice this evening. Temperature about 15 deg.F. It used

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread George Tyler via EV
I know my Prius computers draw a total of 250W standing still. if the leaf was similar, whats 250Wh consumed in an hour even if you did not move. On 07-Dec-18 5:24 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, Steve, are you inferring the the 3.2 miles / kWh number could be inaccurate? If it's reasonably

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Dec 2018 at 17:28, Steve Heath via EV wrote: > The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average > is 190 ... If you're getting 190 miles per kWh, I want your EV. I think you probably mean Wh/mile, not miles/kWh. > and this measurement is based on coulomb counting

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
Steve Heath wrote: > The best mile/Kw I have got has been 180 and the worst is 230. Average > is 190 and this measurement is based on coulomb counting over the > distance. I think you are meaning to state 180-230 Wh/mi? 180-230 mile/kWh would be extremely unusual efficiency for an on-road EV,

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Steve Heath via EV
uot;Steve Heath" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" ; "Peri Hartman" Cc: "Haudy Kazemi" Sent: 06-Dec-18 8:00:26 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance There is another factor: 14 miles in one hour indicates to me a lot of stop star

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Steve Heath via EV
- Original Message -- From: "Collin Kidder" To: pe...@kotatko.com; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: Sent: 05-Dec-18 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance I have two leafs here - 2012 and 2013. The 2012 is lucky to get 40 miles of range in the winter. I

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
fSpy would help. Again, anyone care to recommend a ODB2 device? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Steve Heath" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" ; "Peri Hartman" Cc: "Haudy Kazemi" Sent: 06-Dec-18 8:00:26 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 20

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Cc: Sent: 06-Dec-18 7:23:42 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Leaf owners can benefit greatly from the LeafSpy app (not free) and a quality bluetooth OBD2 adapter. They can then look at the detailed health and capacity stats in app. My guess is 9 bars would be about 16 kWh capacity.

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-06 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
tery": poor range in winter. > The other half - missing 3.5 kWh - still persists. > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Collin Kidder" > To: pe...@kotatko.com; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > > Cc: > Sent: 05-Dec-18 9:13:32 AM &

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-Dec-18 9:13:32 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance I have two leafs here - 2012 and 2013. The 2012 is lucky to get 40 miles of range in the winter. In the summer it's closer to 50 miles. The 2013 can drive somewhere in the range of about 40-45 miles in Winter and 60-70 miles in S

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread Collin Kidder via EV
ssage -- > From: "Cor van de Water via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "Cor van de Water" > Sent: 04-Dec-18 6:48:24 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance > > >Capacity bars are not linear. > >The

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: 04-Dec-18 6:48:24 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Capacity bars are not linear. The 12 bar display is actually anything from 85% to 100% capacity. Below that, every bar stands for 6.25% if I am not mistaken (quoting from memory) So 7 bar capacity can be as low as 100 –

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Um, I'm getting a drop closer to 50%. -- Original Message -- From: "paul dove" To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: Sent: 05-Dec-18 3:19:24 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance The range in my Mitsubishi i-MiEV drops

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-05 Thread paul dove via EV
The range in my Mitsubishi i-MiEV drops about 10% in cold weather too. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf > ? > > Temp about 45F > Heat on: drawing average of about 1

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-04 Thread ken via EV
is there something Leaf Spyto see if you have a weak cell or other losses ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA

Re: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-04 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf ? Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25 kW Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (f

[EVDL] poor 2011 Leaf performance

2018-12-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Anyone want to take a stab at this mystery - poor performance of my 2011 Leaf ? Temp about 45F Heat on: drawing average of about 1 kW "other systems" drawing about .25 kW Drove 14 miles, went from 12 range bars to 5 bars (full charge level is 9 capacity bars) Average 3.2 miles / kWh Duration