Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread ROBERT via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
. Bob *From:* ROBERT [mailto:bhensle...@msn.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:01 PM *To:* Robert Bruninga; ev@lists.evdl.org *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related) My point was solar hot water collectors do work if the system is designed

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
bject: Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related) You guys are correct about a heat pump being more energy efficiency than a resistance heating element. I recently installed a hybrid hot water heater. I have an external energy monitor on this circuit. The hybrid hot

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:07 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related) The issue with a heat pump is sizing, at least

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 29 Nov 2017 at 15:07, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > if you choose a heat pump, make sure it will generate the BTUs you > need at your coldest temperature or supplement it with some resistance > heating. Every home-HVAC heat pump I've ever seen has had supplemental and/or "emergency" heat.

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Message -- From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "Cor van de Water" <cwa...@proxim.com> Sent: 29-Nov-17 1:31:40 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (O

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Dube via EV
The efficiency never drops below that of a resistive heater. They don't do their magic much below ~10 Fahrenheit, but they will work to below zero. They actually have a resistive heater built into the outside unit to defrost the coils if they build up ice. I have two heat pumps on my house in

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Dube via EV
You can look up "How to install a mini split" on YouTube. The units typically come with poorly translated,  but still very useful, DIY installation instructions. It is best if you have a gauge set and a vacuum pump, but if you are careful and detail oriented, you can use the "purge and bleed

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread ROBERT via EV
t: Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related) On Tue Nov 28 20:11:48 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Heat can't magically be obtained from cold air. > >As the temperature drops, the pump must do a lot more work for an ever >smaller amount of heat. The one I j

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Tue Nov 28 20:11:48 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >Heat can't magically be obtained from cold air. > >As the temperature drops, the pump must do a lot more work for an ever >smaller amount of heat. The one I just had put in the cabin is better than an electric heater down to around 0 deg

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread Alan Arrison via EV
Heat can't magically be obtained from cold air. As the temperature drops, the pump must do a lot more work for an ever smaller amount of heat. Al On 11/28/2017 11:03 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: Thanks for the Wikipedia reference. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On Tue Nov 28 20:03:14 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >I replaced a resistive space heater (about $120) in my two car >garage/shop with a heat pump ($1300, Ebay) and it uses *one fifth* the >energy. (SEER 21, 18000 BTU, heating and A/C) Paid for itself in a less >than two years of operation.

Re: [EVDL] Heat pump vs resistive Heater (OT, but somewhat EV related)

2017-11-28 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Thanks for the Wikipedia reference. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump Folks are often puzzled by the "up to 4x efficiency" of heat pumps. "How is that even possible?" is the most common question. (And the common sense question as well...) Well, heat pumps do indeed