Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Destroying your species runs counter to evolution. That doesn't mean it can't happen - it only means you weren't the dominant species. I'll rephrase that: everything that happens in nature is by definition in accordance with evolution, but those species that

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-06, à 07:38, Norman Samish a écrit : Anyway, all this is beside the point I wanted to make, which is that True Believers, whether Muslim, Christian, or heathen, cause harm, destruction or misfortune, and are therefore evil.  I am not so sure. Perhaps I am just over-optimistic but I

Re: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-06, à 21:49, Lennart Nilsson a écrit : x-tad-biggerBruno;/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerAccording to Cooper classical analysis is plain bad biology, /x-tad-bigger ? x-tad-biggerand not a matter of subjective judgement or philosophical preferens (such as taking atithmetical truth for

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-06, à 23:32, 1Z a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Remember that comp relies on arithmetical platonism. Your version does. Computationalism is standardly the thesis that cognition is computation. Could you define or explain computation without believing that the relations

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 06-juil.-06, à 23:56, 1Z a écrit : The Yes-Doctor scenario using Bruno-comp should really be a case of saying yes to the proposal: I'm just going to shoot you. I'm not going to make the slightest effort to reconsitute you, teleport you, computerise you, or anything else. You already

SV: SV: Only logic is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Lennart Nilsson
I see from your questionmarks that an idea like Coopers, that logic is a  branch of biology (the subtitle of the book The Evolution of reason) is out of bounds. Från: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] För Bruno Marchal Skickat: den 7 juli

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juil.-06, à 06:45, Lee Corbin a écrit : Bruno writes Actually I was about to say that nominal question are suggestive (anybody can answer by principle of a mailing list), and nominal question when thread interferes makes possible to send less mails. But I agree here I miss

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-juil.-06, à 23:32, 1Z a écrit : Bruno Marchal wrote: Remember that comp relies on arithmetical platonism. Your version does. Computationalism is standardly the thesis that cognition is computation. Could you define or explain computation without

Re: Diagonalization (solution)

2006-07-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 07-juil.-06, à 07:23, Tom Caylor a écrit : Exercise: show that the functions from N to {0,1} are not enumerable, by a similar proof. Hint: find the appropriate slight change in the definition of g. Change g to g(n) = (Rn(n) + 1) mod 2 OK. other solution, change g to g(n) = 1 -

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 06-juil.-06, à 07:38, Norman Samish a écrit : Anyway, all this is beside the point I wanted to make, which is that True Believers, whether Muslim, Christian, or heathen, cause harm, destruction or misfortune, and are therefore evil. I am not so sure. Perhaps

Re: Existence, individuation, instantiation

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Peter, - Original Message - From: 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Existence, individuation, instantiation Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Quentin et al, I keep reading this claim

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Peter, - Original Message - From: 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Only Existence is necessary? 1Z wrote: Remember that comp relies on arithmetical platonism. Your version does.

Re: Existence, individuation, instantiation

2006-07-07 Thread 1Z
Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Peter, - Original Message - From: 1Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Existence, individuation, instantiation Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Quentin et

Re: Symmetry, Invarance and Conservation

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear George, Could it be that Consciousness is more related and identifiable with the "processing" of Information than with Information itself? Consider the example often raised (I do not know the original source) of a Book that contained a "complete description" of Einstein's Brain. It

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Lee, I am reminded of the old saw from the Westerns: This town is too small for the both of us! ;-) Could it be that consciousness is statistically Fermionic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi-Dirac_statistics Stephen - Original Message - From: Lee Corbin [EMAIL

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread John M
Bruno: I speculated about my problems why I follow your (and others') expressions with difficulty. I was capable to understand concepts in diverse sciences and now I have to reflect about fitting 'comp', 'UDA', 'YesDoctor', even 'arithmetical Plationism' etc. into the flowing considerations.

Re: A calculus of personal identity

2006-07-07 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Lee and Bruno, - Original Message - From: Lee Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: RE: A calculus of personal identity Bruno writes Actually I was about to say that nominal question are suggestive

Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread John M
--- Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... FALSE Believers cause harm, destruction ... Faith is not a problem,... And who decides what is a 'false' belief? Do the religious leaders of harm-doing 'believers' educate them that their action is 'false'? Do the US protestant leaders condemn

RE: Re: Fermi's Paradox

2006-07-07 Thread John M
--- Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Destroying your species runs counter to evolution. Stathis, 'evolution' does not follow good manners and may not be chisled in stone, I for one identified it (in my narrative) as the entire history of the unioverse from its appearance till its

Re: Symmetry, Invarance and Conservation

2006-07-07 Thread George Levy
Hi Stephen Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear George, Could it be that Consciousness is more related and identifiable with the "processing" of Information than with Information itself? I agree that consciousness is not just information. As you say, consciousness seems to be

Re: Only Existence is necessary?

2006-07-07 Thread George Levy
Hi Stephen Stephen Paul King wrote: I would like to point out that you may have inadvertently veered into the problem that I see in the Yes Doctor belief! It is entirely unverifiable. It is unverifiable from the 3rd person perspective. From the first person perspective it is perfectly

Re: Symmetry, Invarance and Conservation

2006-07-07 Thread Brent Meeker
George Levy wrote: Hi Stephen Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear George, Could it be that Consciousness is more related and identifiable with the processing of Information than with Information itself? I agree that consciousness is not just information. As you say, consciousness