Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: > > On 24/10/2008, at 4:14 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> I'm not sure what distinction you're making. As far as I'm concerned >> feelings=emotions. > > Brent which of the following portray 'feelings' and which portray > 'emotions': > > > I have a ( ) my uranium shares might

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 4:14 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > I'm not sure what distinction you're making. As far as I'm concerned > feelings=emotions. Brent which of the following portray 'feelings' and which portray 'emotions': I have a ( ) my uranium shares might go up soon I have a ( ) it might r

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread Brent Meeker
Kim Jones wrote: > Admittedly a bit off-topic but hey - there are some great minds on this > list and it could give birth to something relevant. There! ;-D > > > > Why do we have emotions? Aren't simple, value-conferring feelings good > enough or something? Emotions cause a host of extraordin

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/10/24 John Mikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > JM: > two contrasting reflections: > 1. I do need the sci-fi for "material" that changes. Matter is a figment of > conventional science upon the (mis)understood so called observations we > assign to 'the world' and our partial information composes the

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 2:43 PM, A. Wolf wrote: >> acting in a sense contrary to how you feel. Takes a bit of practice >> but anybody can act. > > This is true, but this is mostly frontal lobe territory...suppressing > dominant responses with an interest in long-term benefit. It's good > that we >

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread A. Wolf
> Yes, but don't forget in saying this you have recognised that this is > also our chief weapon against each other. > Is it not rather ironic that we can call 'sociopath' someone who > cannot 'fake it' emotionally to get his own way? Ironically, most sociopaths are actually excellent at faking em

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread Kim Jones
On 24/10/2008, at 1:56 PM, A. Wolf wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Kim Jones > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Admittedly a bit off-topic but hey - there are some great minds on >> this list >> and it could give birth to something relevant. There! ;-D > > I was going to intro myse

Re: Emotions

2008-10-23 Thread A. Wolf
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Admittedly a bit off-topic but hey - there are some great minds on this list > and it could give birth to something relevant. There! ;-D I was going to intro myself eventually but because this is interesting to me, I wanted

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread John Mikes
JM: two contrasting reflections: 1. I do need the sci-fi for "material" that changes. Matter is a figment of conventional science upon the (mis)understood so called observations we assign to 'the world' and our partial information composes the 'mini'solipsism (Colin H) we carry about 'reality' - e

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/10/24 John Mikes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Stathis, > Who told YOU (and the other honored discutants in this thread) that *THIS* > ONE of our existence is the one-and-only basic/original appearance? We, > here and now, may be #37 for you and #49 for me etc., > -- B U T -- > could you please

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2008/10/24 razihassan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And in the case of a skewed probability distribution, I don't see why > you wouldn't expect to end up in the most probable state (from the > frog pov). Maybe I'm missing something? In what way is the probability "skewed"? If I am copied to two locatio

BBC Documentary on Hugh Everett by his son

2008-10-23 Thread Jason
A friend told me about this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7BHFieatVE "Parallel Worlds, Parallel Lives is a BAFTA winning television documentary broadcast in 2007 on BBC Scotland and BBC Four television documentary in which American rock musician Mark Oliver Everett talks to physicists an

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Jason Resch
I would say time doesn't go forward it is only a subjective illusion that it moves forward because whatever observer moment you find yourself experiencing only has memories of past events. Therefore a conscious observer about to be injected with a poison will forever exist in that moment, just as

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Michael Rosefield
OK, sorry, upon re-reading it seems that you're asking whether diverged branches of consciousness can reconverge, and what that implies. I'd say that since consciousness is rather 'forgetful', vague and high-level, there's an awful lot of scope for this. However, once reconverged there's no distin

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread Michael Rosefield
I don't think I follow you. This is the exact feeling I get when I try to read Pynchon... OK, I think what you're saying is that when it comes to reconstructing the body with only knowledge of the mind itself, much of the exact physical characteristics are ambiguous, in that they don't contribute

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, Who told YOU (and the other honored discutants in this thread) that *THIS* ONE of our existence is the one-and-only basic/original appearance? We, here and now, may be #37 for you and #49 for me etc., -- B U T -- could you please tell me if 'anyone' of this nightmare-topic remembers, o

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread razihassan
> The problem you raise is one of personal identity, and can be > illustrated without invoking QTI. If I am copied 100 times so that > copy #1 has 1% of my present memories, copy #2 has 2% of my present > memories, and so on to copy #100 which has 100% of my present > memories, which copy should

Re: QTI & euthanasia

2008-10-23 Thread razihassan
On Oct 22, 2:34 pm, "Michael Rosefield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 1) My thoughts are that an act of euthanasia would be more likely to 'push' > the consciousness of the patient to some hitherto unlikely scenario - any > situation where death is probable requires an improbable get-out