Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Feb 2013, at 05:04, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 7:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2013, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2013, at 21:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: How did number arise? We

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2013, at 05:04, meekerdb wrote: You are assuming that justification comes from logic; and indeed it is too much to expect from such a weak source. I look for such justification as can be found from experience, which you demoted to mere

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Even if it could [ tell the difference between a audio and a video file] that would only represent a more advanced file analysis function, not any kind of audio or video sensitivity. Please explain the difference

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X is not not Y then X is gibberish, X = alcohol Y = poison. becomes alcohol is not poison and alcohol isn't not poison Exactly, and 2 negatives, like isn't

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:08:07 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Even if it could [ tell the difference between a audio and a video file] that would only represent a more advanced file analysis

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2013, at 05:04, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 7:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2013, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Feb 2013, at 21:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:03:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2013, at 05:04, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 7:17 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Feb 2013, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/27/2013 2:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X is not not Y then X is gibberish, X = alcohol Y = poison. becomes

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
Thanks. I think you pretty much covered it :) On Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:59:55 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: It is a basic law of logic that

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X is not not Y then X is

A Diagram of Free Will

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
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Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote Even if it could [ tell the difference between a audio and a video file] that would only represent a more advanced file analysis function, not any kind of audio or video sensitivity. Please explain the difference

Re: A Diagram of Free Will

2013-02-28 Thread Russell Standish
Hi Craig, what's your point with this diagram? That free will lies on a continuum of random processes, perhaps? Cheers On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:25:29PM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AzLqBmVGyOo/US-9KrXclfI/AaY/nqw4xM2a8aM/s1600/evo.jpg

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:52:59 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote Even if it could [ tell the difference between a audio and a video file] that would only represent a more advanced file analysis

Re: A Diagram of Free Will

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:29:13 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: Hi Craig, what's your point with this diagram? That free will lies on a continuum of random processes, perhaps? Just the opposite. All processes begin intentionally, but end up appearing more unintentional the

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You have no way of knowing what I can't know about you either. You have no way of knowing what ways I have of knowing what you know about what ways John knows of having ways of knowing about what you can know...either. :-) Brent blather, n.

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You have no way of knowing what I can't know about you either. You have no way of knowing what ways I have of knowing what you know about what ways John knows of having ways of

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 2/28/2013 2:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is a basic law of logic that if X is not Y and X

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
-- Forwarded message -- Apparently so... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23221-first-mindreading-implant-gives-rats-telepathic-power.html The world's first brain-to-brain connection has given rats the power to communicate by thought alone. Many people

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 4:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You have no way of knowing what I can't know about you either. You have no way of knowing what ways I have of knowing what you

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 4:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/28/2013 2:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:59 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 2/28/2013 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: It is

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:01:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 4:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You have no way of knowing what I can't know about you either.

Re: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
Cool, although brain conjoined twins already do this. On Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:59:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Apparently so... http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23221-first-mindreading-implant-gives-rats-telepathic-power.html The

Re: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, although brain conjoined twins already do this. But this is with electrodes. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
True, but we already know that nerves can be stimulated with electrodes. On Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:56:37 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Cool, although brain conjoined twins already do this. But this

Re: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: True, but we already know that nerves can be stimulated with electrodes. Yes, and it shows that there is nothing special about biology. It's just a technical problem to find non-biological components that will work as

Re: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

2013-02-28 Thread Kim Jones
Suddenly, everybody was astonished to realise that this has already happened. The Engineers expressly designed the human neocortex so we could get this far and this far only. As Kurzweil says - we only need a brain smart enough to get us to the point where we can design a better brain. We are

Re: Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

2013-02-28 Thread meekerdb
On 2/28/2013 5:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:01:48 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 4:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:37:50 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/28/2013 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: You have