Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread Pierz
Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think about the conscious observer, because that leads to the fairy tale of many worlds. Instead it should consider consciousness to reside outside

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread meekerdb
On 4/22/2014 4:54 AM, Pierz wrote: Thanks Brent. I read Mermin and am both wiser and none-the. It seems to me in this paper he is chickening out by saying that QM shouldn't really think about the conscious observer, because that leads to the fairy tale of many worlds. Instead it should

Barriers to 'hearing' other viewpoints

2014-04-22 Thread ghibbsa
First of all, on reflection I think my behaviour has been a little hostile lately, and I'd like to broadcast a general apology about that. Not only Bruno, but I make a special mention for him because the guy gives me and other people a lot of time, and I was actually rather unpleasant in at

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Apr 2014, at 17:46, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:05:20 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Apr 2014, at 22:33, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: Physorg runs a report today in which brain abnormalities are linked with cannabis use,

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote: Just came across this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts who is knowledgeable on QM. I don't follow the maths, but I kind of got the gist. What intrigued me was

Re: Graham Hancock on The Plant Teachers (Banned TED Talk)

2014-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:39, Pierz wrote: I agree with you, up to the point when you start advocating (on the other thread?) the notion that drink driving should be legal. Well, I agree that we have to wait the politics invests a bit more in education. The key point relates to harm

Re: Barriers to 'hearing' other viewpoints

2014-04-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Apr 2014, at 15:19, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: First of all, on reflection I think my behaviour has been a little hostile lately, and I'd like to broadcast a general apology about that. Not only Bruno, but I make a special mention for him because the guy gives me and other people a

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread spudboy100
Yeah, it will be costly whether we live or die. It's better to focus on a techno fix rather than social engineering by red-greens, and the uber rich. If we want to reduce heating, then reduce CO2, methane, water vapor. Easier said then done, but what isn't? The military industrial complex

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
I would like to read those papers but haven't had time yet. On 23 April 2014 04:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote: Just came across this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc It's a bit long, but I'd be interested to hear

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread meekerdb
On 4/22/2014 4:28 PM, LizR wrote: would like to read those papers but haven't had time yet. On 23 April 2014 04:00, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Apr 2014, at 02:03, Pierz wrote: Just came across this presentation:

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
I think you'll find China is trying to cut its pollution, particularly* air pollution, and succeeding to some extent. Basically it has to, because the problem is so bad that it's severely impacting health and production. http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/specials/gpm04/fierce-fight-gdp-air/ *an

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
On 23 April 2014 11:37, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.' --- Mark Twain Did Mark Twain really say that? I

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread spudboy100
Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but reducing smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya moment now for anything nowbin east asia as you hsve noticed, regarding china. The best way then to reduce carbon emissions is to develop clean energy generators, that can

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
Yes they're trying to reduce smog but that should still have that effect to some extent (reducing AGW). But yes, clean green energy is needed - maybe nuclear reactors (Russia is doing a good line in small portable reactors, I believe). Probably not THE best solution but needs must... On 23 April

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread spudboy100
Even if Clemmens said it, I don't take that statement as anything more than a witty line. When his daughter died, she was a pre schooler, I had read the it messed him up. Yes, we can jolly it all away till it happens to us and hits home. Then its a different story, and I don't mean Tom Sawyer.

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions rather than millions which in context seems rather extravagant. Actually google indicates that I am not alone in wondering this. http://www.telecomtally.com/blog/2006/12/did_mark_twain_1.html Wikiquote http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Twainalso

Re: Interesting Google tech talk on QM

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
I should have said, my emphasis. On 23 April 2014 14:23, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I was just a bit surprised at his use of billions rather than millions which in context seems rather extravagant. Actually google indicates that I am not alone in wondering this.

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Understood, but China is not pursuing a policy of eliminating AGW, but reducing smog in its cities. Its not a kumbaya moment now for anything nowbin

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Yes they're trying to reduce smog but that should still have that effect to some extent (reducing AGW). But yes, clean green energy is needed - maybe nuclear reactors (Russia is doing a

Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread LizR
On 23 April 2014 15:09, 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Understood, but China is

RE: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate.

2014-04-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:28 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: cannabis, cancer and mechanism, and climate. On 23 April 2014 15:09, 'Chris de Morsella