Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:14, Alberto G. Corona wrote: What is the point in the last paragraphs written by me in which you do not agree?. No theories at all is zero-informative, and saying that they are no- theory is incomprehensible. I see that you seem to believe in evolution, but this

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jul 2014, at 19:44, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Additionally, I don´t know how to remark that you systematically forget the notion that the rejection of God as a coverup for the rejection of God´s creation, a rejection of the current state of nature and society. If that were not the

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: There are optimimums toward what we aim to. That a mother kill his son because she don´t feel capable to breed him does not man that this is as good as not killing him and having enoug resources and support to

RE: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 3:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 17 Jul 2014, at 20:24, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death experiences, etc.). Really? That will allow me to see the unprovable

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near death

Re: How will air travel work in a green solar economy?

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/15/2014 2:40 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: sounds interesting-how is performance/maintenance? Cars can be transitioned to electric power pretty easily. I just bought a Chevy Volt and over the first thousand miles we've burned less than 7gal of gas. It will

It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread Kim Jones
A good thinking habit to cultivate is simplicity. Try and make it as simple as you can. Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): 1. I know 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you knew.) Are there any others? Am I correct in assuming the comp

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I would describe it as a societal paradigm… this unspoken rule that all should respect religion. Yes, but why does religion and only religion get this special treatment? Nobody thinks that

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jul 2014, at 10:21 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/14/2014 7:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, if you are interested in experiencing the (rather common) God hallucination, there are technic for that (fasting, sleep deprivation, magic mushrooms, LSD, salvia, near

The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-19 Thread LizR
We've just been watching Particle Fever - a documentary about the LHC (from 2007 to the discovery of the Higgs boson last year). In it, at least a couple of people (Monica Dunbar and David Kaplan, IIRC) say that a 115GeV Higgs would be a clear sign of Supersymmetry, while a 140GeV (or greater)

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): 1. I know 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you knew.) Are there any others? Well, do you know that you know that you

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-07-19 Thread LizR
I'd recommend Particle Fever although it might be old hat to some on this forum. Also The Congress based on The Futurological Congress by Stanislaw Lem, I would say is worth watching, although probably not to everyone's tastes. But probably to the tastes of most people on this forum! -- You

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of): 1. I know 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I

RE: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:27 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

RE: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:49 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm,

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:11 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:49 PM To:

Re: Atheist

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2014 10:08 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:27 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Atheist On Thu, Jul

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2014 10:11 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:49 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: It Knows That It Knows

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread LizR
On 20 July 2014 17:38, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: How do language and/or opposable thumbs construct an experiencing subject? Clearly the subject precedes the existence of these things. Where does the self come from? What is it? A self constructs language and sees the value of

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-19 Thread meekerdb
On 7/19/2014 10:38 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:11 pm, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com