On 7/19/2014 10:11 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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*Subject:* Re: It Knows That It Knows
On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
1. I know
2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering
that you
knew.)
Are there any others?
Well, do you know that you know that you know? Even if the answer is
yes after
just a few more iteration the answer will certainly be no because you
won't be
able to follow even what the question means. And as a practical matter
at least
99% of the time you don't know that you know, you just know. Most of
the time it
would be counterproductive anyway, if you were fully aware of how you
know that
you know how to walk and chew gum at the same time you'd fall flat on
your face.
John K Clark
OK. So what separates us then, from dolphins and elephants who apparently
also 'know
that they know'? You aren't allowed to respond "Intelligence" because
intelligence
is what makes introspection possible in the first place. Without
self-awareness
there is no self to inspect. You can can question many things about the
content of
your consciousness. A cat can't. There needs to be a 'knower', a 'self' or a
'subject'. Who or what is that? What part of your brain is more evolved
than a cat's
brain that allows you to say "I know"?
The language part.
Brent
Let us not overlook those nifty opposable thumbs that made us superior tool
makers.
You can say, "Gimme a ride." but you can't say "I know." with your thumb. :-)
Brent
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