> On 20 Jul 2014, at 3:11 pm, "'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List"
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> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 9:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: It Knows That It Knows
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> On 7/19/2014 9:25 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
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> On 20 Jul 2014, at 1:44 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
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> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Consciousness comes in two flavours (that I know of):
> 1. I know
> 2. I know that I know. (Presumably something to do with remembering that you
> knew.)
> Are there any others?
>
> Well, do you know that you know that you know? Even if the answer is yes
> after just a few more iteration the answer will certainly be no because you
> won't be able to follow even what the question means. And as a practical
> matter at least 99% of the time you don't know that you know, you just know.
> Most of the time it would be counterproductive anyway, if you were fully
> aware of how you know that you know how to walk and chew gum at the same time
> you'd fall flat on your face.
>
> John K Clark
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> OK. So what separates us then, from dolphins and elephants who apparently
> also 'know that they know'? You aren't allowed to respond "Intelligence"
> because intelligence is what makes introspection possible in the first place.
> Without self-awareness there is no self to inspect. You can can question many
> things about the content of your consciousness. A cat can't. There needs to
> be a 'knower', a 'self' or a 'subject'. Who or what is that? What part of
> your brain is more evolved than a cat's brain that allows you to say "I know"?
>
> The language part.
>
> Brent
>
> Let us not overlook those nifty opposable thumbs that made us superior tool
> makers.
> Chris
How do language and/or opposable thumbs construct an experiencing subject?
Clearly the subject precedes the existence of these things. Where does the self
come from? What is it? A self constructs language and sees the value of
opposable thumbs. The self is primary.
K
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