Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Dec 2014, at 17:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from primary existence. What's the difference? Isn't physical existence the

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: What I want to know is if anyone takes conservation of energy seriously? Yes. Quantum mechanics without collapse does not violate the conservation of energy. You just cannot sum up the energy in the different branch of the superposition.

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Dec 2014, at 12:16, Samiya Illias wrote: As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been given a tenth of what they had. In theology, I agree. In the natural science and mathematics,

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Dec 2014, at 06:56, Samiya Illias wrote: On 06-Dec-2014, at 10:25 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more,

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Dec 2014, at 06:25, meekerdb wrote: On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been given a tenth of what they had. Samiya Well then you

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread LizR
On 6 December 2014 at 18:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been given a tenth of what they had.

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread LizR
On 6 December 2014 at 19:25, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On 06-Dec-2014, at 11:15 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/5/2014 9:56 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: On 06-Dec-2014, at 10:25 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2014, at 20:04, Richard Ruquist wrote: What I want to know is if anyone takes conservation of energy seriously? Yes. Quantum mechanics without collapse does not violate the conservation of energy. You just

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2014, at 17:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This thread remember me the discussions of the dumbest of a city disussing the relative merits of each basket team player based on if they are redhead or not. 2014-12-06 10:37 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 6 December 2014 at 19:25, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On

RE: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:18 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought Which go in the direction

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-06 Thread meekerdb
On 12/6/2014 12:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2014, at 06:25, meekerdb wrote: On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been given a tenth

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread LizR
On 5 December 2014 at 20:06, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from primary existence. What's the difference? Isn't physical existence the paradigmatic case? the example we point to when asked

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread LizR
On 6 December 2014 at 05:20, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from primary existence. What's the difference?