On 12/6/2014 12:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Dec 2014, at 06:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised as it is stated
that the ancients had been given much more, and we haven't been given a tenth of what
they had.
Samiya
Well then you must be surprised that our computers are much faster and more accurate
than the ancients. Of course we weren't given them; they were invented and built - by
atheists and agnostics.
May be Turing, and Markov, but I am not sure for Post, Church, Kleene, and many
others.
Konrad Zuse and John von Neumann.
Of course the ancient were not just believer, but, like Einstein, they were believer for
rational reason. Of course, those believers don't believe in "revelation" or any fairy
tales. It is more the beliefs of Parmenides, that there is a unifiable truth beyond what
we see and measure. Modern mathematics is born from that.
For a platonist, atheism is just christianism with a different presentation. I know
atheists dislike this, but it is a simple fact: same conception of God, same dogmatic
belief in a 3p ontologically primitive physical reality. It is really the same
metaphysics, but we can't sustain them with computationalism or with QM (with or without
collapse).
But for an atheist Platonism is just Christianities rejection of the empirical and
other-worldly preoccupation with faith. It's no accident that Augustine was able to
re-interpret Plato as prefiguring Christianity and only later was Aquinas able to do the
same for Aristotle.
Brent
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