On 06 Dec 2014, at 06:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/5/2014 3:16 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
As a person who takes the Quran literally, I'm not at all surprised
as it is stated that the ancients had been given much more, and we
haven't been given a tenth of what they had.
Samiya
Well then you must be surprised that our computers are much faster
and more accurate than the ancients. Of course we weren't given
them; they were invented and built - by atheists and agnostics.
May be Turing, and Markov, but I am not sure for Post, Church, Kleene,
and many others.
Of course the ancient were not just believer, but, like Einstein, they
were believer for rational reason. Of course, those believers don't
believe in "revelation" or any fairy tales. It is more the beliefs of
Parmenides, that there is a unifiable truth beyond what we see and
measure. Modern mathematics is born from that.
For a platonist, atheism is just christianism with a different
presentation. I know atheists dislike this, but it is a simple fact:
same conception of God, same dogmatic belief in a 3p ontologically
primitive physical reality. It is really the same metaphysics, but we
can't sustain them with computationalism or with QM (with or without
collapse).
Bruno
Brent
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