Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

It looks like us antipodeans get royally shafted by Amazon :( They must do some sort of GeoIP lookup and only serve the discount to US-based customers, though why they would do this beats me. This sort of price promotion is only available for the US and UK stores. Do people in the UK get the disco

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 20 March 2015 at 12:31, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/19/2015 3:54 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 20 March 2015 at 10:56, Kim Jones wrote: > >> >> Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies >> in shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any >> thinking

Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

It's still worth getting for $6.84! I will tweet my pitifully few followers and email everyone I think might be interested, anyway. On 20 March 2015 at 16:18, Terren Suydam wrote: > When I visit > http://www.amazon.com/The-Amoebas-Secret-Bruno-Marchal-ebook/dp/B00IRLEKPA > the price is now $1.99

Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

When I visit http://www.amazon.com/The-Amoebas-Secret-Bruno-Marchal-ebook/dp/B00IRLEKPA the price is now $1.99... so sounds like yeah, US only. T On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:02 PM, LizR wrote: > I'm talking about what's at the other end of the link Russell provided. > This still says: > > --

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

> On 20 Mar 2015, at 2:06 pm, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/19/2015 7:59 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> Don't forget, the word "critical" does Have two meanings and people >> sometimes intentionally confuse them because you can. "Critical" often gets >> used sloppily to mean "extremely important in so

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 3/19/2015 7:59 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Don't forget, the word "critical" does Have two meanings and people sometimes intentionally confuse them because you can. "Critical" often gets used sloppily to mean "extremely important in some sense" yet it really denotes a negatively judgemental state o

Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

I'm talking about what's at the other end of the link Russell provided. This still says: -- Print List Price: $19.99 Kindle Price: * $6.84 * includes free international wireless delivery via *Amazon Whispernet* You Save: $13.15 (66%) At least when I click on the link, t

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 20 Mar 2015, at 11:43 am, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 3/19/2015 5:18 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> >> Critics exist to criticise, to provide critiques (opinions) and make >> criticisms of existing ideas. > > That's the general meaning, but art critics also praise. In fact it seems > that their

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

Eh You asked me to explain my position better. If you say that you already knew that, That is fantastic. My answer is against the ones that think that something is better than something other based on some simple factors. And use it to discard as flawed the process that consider all the factors al

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 3/19/2015 5:18 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Critics exist to criticise, to provide critiques (opinions) and make criticisms of existing ideas. That's the general meaning, but art critics also praise. In fact it seems that their main function is to tell us how and what to think about what we mig

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

Critics exist to criticise, to provide critiques (opinions) and make criticisms of existing ideas. For the professional critic, proposing or inventing ideas is always someone else's job. Criticism is by its very nature negative or Black Hat thinking ie one style of thinking out of many. Many p

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 3/19/2015 3:54 PM, LizR wrote: On 20 March 2015 at 10:56, Kim Jones > wrote: Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any thinking of his own and h

Re: I hate to say it...

On 3/19/2015 1:33 PM, LizR wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 18:47, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/18/2015 8:36 PM, LizR wrote: ...but if this happens it shows what you can accomplish if you don't have to mess around with any pesky democratic processes...

Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

I picked up a copy for $.99 so it is active in the US at least. I think Russell said it was for the kindle... are you checking the book price? Terren On Mar 19, 2015 6:35 PM, "LizR" wrote: > This doesn't appear to have happened yet? I keep checking by still $6.83 > or whatever. Surely it's the 1

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 20 March 2015 at 10:56, Kim Jones wrote: > > Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in > shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any > thinking of his own and has clearly never once in gis life experienced a > creative idea - even by ac

Fw: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

- Forwarded Message - From: Kim Jones To: "everything-list@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness >>Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in >>shitting on the thin

Re: Price promotion for Amoeba's secret

This doesn't appear to have happened yet? I keep checking by still $6.83 or whatever. Surely it's the 19th by now (even in the USA?) On 18 March 2015 at 12:02, LizR wrote: > Yes 20 copies can be sold to the people on this list! (After that it gets > more difficult...) > > "The Amoeba's Secret Th

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies in shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any thinking of his own and has clearly never once in gis life experienced a creative idea - even by accident. He is therefore exists only as a parasite o

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Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

On 20 March 2015 at 09:21, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > LizR: > > My descendants can not develop wings living in mountains, even if wings > permit us to move faster, this does not mean that natural selection do it > wrong. Even if there are animals that fly. My descendants will not develop > wings

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

My sense of things (wrong as I might be) is that Natural Selection (survival of the most fortunate) is true. What is more fascinating to me is the idea of Marchal, Tegmark, Steinhart, Von Newmann, Gödel, Schmidhuber and yes, Plato and Plotinus, that underneath the real world is a realer world o

Re: I hate to say it...

On 20 March 2015 at 09:28, spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I am more afraid of a hot war with them. > Not sure if you've totally or only parly missed the point with that comment. Well, duh, aren't we all, but so what? The suggestion was that maybe the w

Re: I hate to say it...

On 19 March 2015 at 18:47, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/18/2015 8:36 PM, LizR wrote: > >> ...but if this happens it shows what you can accomplish if you don't have >> to mess around with any pesky democratic processes... >> >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-18/china- >> increases-solar-

Re: I hate to say it...

I am more afraid of a hot war with them. I also wonder if a grande prize to develop a working, all year long, storage and storage system, like a 20 billion dollar prize for the achievement and marketing there of? -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Wed, Mar 18,

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

LizR: My descendants can not develop wings living in mountains, even if wings permit us to move faster, this does not mean that natural selection do it wrong. Even if there are animals that fly. My descendants will not develop wings because my other traits forces to solve the problem of locomotion

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Liar Clark seriously ? you wanna go down that way, asserting Bruno is affraid of machine intelligence where all is work is about computationalism ? really ? I am glad you notice the anomaly. It looks like a lie, indeed. It's so pathetic,

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Intelligence is not definable, like God, or consciousness. > Nobody has a definition of consciousness that's worth a damn but examples are FAR more important than definitions and there is a superb example of consciousness, me. But as for

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

To whom was this a reply? Brent On 3/19/2015 11:55 AM, LizR wrote: As far as I know "evolutionary advantage" means favouring the replication of a specific trait (or the genes underlying it) over competing traits. The "simplistic reasoning of an ignorant" is the reasoning of Charles Darwin and

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

From: meekerdb To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness On 3/19/2015 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > ... > > > Stupid (unwise) people got the Nobel Prize in physics, like some nazi, for >

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 3/19/2015 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... Stupid (unwise) people got the Nobel Prize in physics, like some nazi, for example. No, a prize, nor a grade measure intelligence. But it can measure works, perseverance, competence, and other qualities. Intelligence is simply not measurable. It

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 3/19/2015 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Baby are maximally intelligent. And they are minimally competent. But they are competent to learn, whereas a rock is not competent to learn and hence is not intelligent either. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

As far as I know "evolutionary advantage" means favouring the replication of a specific trait (or the genes underlying it) over competing traits. The "simplistic reasoning of an ignorant" is the reasoning of Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins - that evolution acts on the individual in the first cas

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 18 Mar 2015, at 17:57, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> So, consciousness - evolutionary advantage or spandrell? > Both. I would say. Then the Turing Test works for consciousness and not just for intelligence. It can give an idea that some entity is c

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

By the way number 2: The theory of evolution is the most biased name for natural selection. "Theory of tradition" would have been a better name by far. Since practically 100% of the traits are inherited from generation to generation "Theory of evolution" is not only biased, but ideologically bias

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

On 18 Mar 2015, at 17:38, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote: > Intelligence is not a question of behavior. If so then you have no reason to believe that Einstein was intelligent and you have no reason to believe that a rock is not, and thus "intelligence" joins

Re: Looks like this isn't a spandrell after all

good or bad for what circunstances and for what unit of evolution in what amount of time? . If I say "sexual reproduction is bad, because, mitosis is a delicate process that may fail and produce many problems. cloning is better because it is simpler. therefore natural selection do it wrong" obviou

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