Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/3/2016 6:59 PM, smitra wrote: Actually, there will objective evidence as to whether or not you have won the lottery. There will be a winning number and you will have a ticket that will have this number on it or not, regardless of whether you forget anything or not. The idea that branches

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 4/08/2016 1:04 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 2:55 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 14:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 2/08/2016 3:07 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Aug 2016, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: Consider ordinary

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 4/08/2016 11:59 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 9:30 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 4/08/2016 9:30 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/3/2016 5:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 3 August 2016 at 16:02, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/2/2016 10:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker wrote:

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/3/2016 4:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 3 August 2016 at 16:02, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 8/2/2016 10:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 8/2/2016 3:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, 3

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 4 August 2016 at 09:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 4/08/2016 9:30 am, smitra wrote: > >> On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: >>> >>> On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 4/08/2016 9:30 am, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 4 August 2016 at 09:09, smitra wrote: > On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, >> which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as one of >> the many copies who didn't win is not

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 01:16, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as one of the many copies who didn't win

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/3/2016 4:09 PM, smitra wrote: On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as one of the many copies who didn't win is not one of the options - those copies

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 04-08-2016 00:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as one of the many copies who didn't win is not one of the options - those copies are not continuations of the you who

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

On 8/3/2016 3:03 PM, smitra wrote: Suppose that you won the lottery, you had a one in a hundred million chance to win, so you got extremely lucky. You party, go to bed and think about planning your trip around the World next morning. In the MWI, things will actually not pan out this way.

Re: If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

Only if you wake up and find out winning the lottery was a mistake, which seems less likely than waking up a winner. Waking up as one of the many copies who didn't win is not one of the options - those copies are not continuations of the you who won the lottery. On Thursday, 4 August 2016, smitra

If you win the lottery, don't expect to live the rest of your life as a millionaire

Suppose that you won the lottery, you had a one in a hundred million chance to win, so you got extremely lucky. You party, go to bed and think about planning your trip around the World next morning. In the MWI, things will actually not pan out this way. What will happen is that the next

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > ​> ​ > I've given up following your exchanges with Clark. They seem to be about > semantics. ​I certainly hope so, semantics is the branch of ​ logic concerned with meaning ​.​ ​ John K Clark​ -- You received

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/3/2016 7:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But the argument seems somewhat circular since you assume that the different physical processes associated with location make the thoughts different.

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/3/2016 7:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 6:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: It's not that it can't, but rather that it doesn't, and if it does then that would require some extra physical explanation, a radio link between brains

Re: QUESTION 2 (Re: Holiday Exercise

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > The question is not about duplication. ​OK.​ ​> ​ > Do you agree that if today, someone is "sure" that tomorrow (or any > precise time later) he will be uncertain of an outcome of a certain > experience, then he

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:39, Brent Meeker wrote: > > >> >> On 8/2/2016 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> Not at all. The existence of the computations is an elementary >>> metatheorem about Robinson Arithmetic, and

Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 08:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 4:37 pm, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one physical body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that consciousness is not localized to a

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:28, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 3:19 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 3:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker wrote:

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 2:55 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 14:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 2/08/2016 3:07 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Aug 2016, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: Consider ordinary consequences of introspection: I can be

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 03 Aug 2016, at 00:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 3/08/2016 4:28 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 5:40 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The point that I am trying to make here is that a person's consciousness at any moment can consist of many independent threads. From this I speculate that

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But the argument seems somewhat circular since you assume that the different physical processes associated with location make the thoughts different. Yes, it is more pedagogical, but the

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:39, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 11:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Not at all. The existence of the computations is an elementary metatheorem about Robinson Arithmetic, and already a theorem of Peano Arithmetic (still less that what is needed to enunciate Church

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 02 Aug 2016, at 22:23, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: (2) The Church-Turing thesis; and (3) Arithmetical realism; (3) is redundant. There is no (2) without (3). ?? Why not? 2+2=4 only expresses a true relation of concepts. It no more entails the

Re: musings on time

On 03 Aug 2016, at 02:16, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 3:36 AM Subject: Re: musings on time On 29 Jul 2016, at 00:25, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 02 Aug 2016, at 20:52, Brent Meeker wrote: On 8/2/2016 6:15 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: It's not that it can't, but rather that it doesn't, and if it does then that would require some extra physical explanation, a radio link between brains or something. That's what I mean by

R: Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise

>Messaggio originale >Da: "Brent Meeker" >Data: 03/08/2016 8.49 >A: >Ogg: Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise > > > >On 8/2/2016 11:37 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: >> >> >> >> The suggestion that the one consciousness

R: Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise

>> The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one physical >> body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that consciousness >> is not localized to a single physical body, that it is non-local, for instance. >> Or, indeed, that physics is not fundamental

Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise

On 3/08/2016 4:37 pm, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one physical body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that consciousness is not localized to a single physical body, that it is non-local, for

Re: R: Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/2/2016 11:37 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one physical body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that consciousness is not localized to a single physical body, that it is non-local,

R: Re: Holiday Exercise

The suggestion that the one consciousness could inhabit more than one physical body does not predict telepathy -- it could merely indicate that consciousness is not localized to a single physical body, that it is non-local, for instance. Or, indeed, that physics is not fundamental but

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 3/08/2016 12:01 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Aug 02, 2016 at 06:55:58PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Aug 2016, at 14:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: I suggest that for step 3 to go through, you need to demonstrate that computationalism requires that a single consciousness cannot

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 8/2/2016 10:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 8/2/2016 3:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 3 August 2016, Brent Meeker