Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 10:55:52 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2018, at 13:37, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:41:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 23 Sep 2018, at 09:00, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday,

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Brent Meeker
On 9/23/2018 8:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I assume mechanism (the invariant of consciousness fr some transformation), and derive from that, constructively, the appearances, including the physical appearances, so that we can test. But the physical appearances you derive are very thin on

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 23 Sep 2018, at 13:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:53, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal*

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-23 Thread John Clark
Bruno Marcha wrote: >>Bruno, that's my definition but think long and hard before you agree with >> it because if you still agree with it in your next post I give you fair >> warning my next question to you will be "How many cities will the Helsinki >> man see?”. > > > *> Only one, from its first

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 11:50 AM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>it's true I am confused I don't understand, but anybody who thinks they >> understand gibberish is a fool. >> > > *> To me and probably to many others it seems obvious that the Helsinki > man can expect to end up either in Moscow or

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Sep 2018, at 13:37, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:41:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 23 Sep 2018, at 09:00, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 1:28:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 22 Sep

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Sep 2018, at 13:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:53, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I would say that mechanism explains

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 at 5:19 pm, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 3:39 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > *Given the definition of the first person*, [...] *By the definition >> of the first person notion* [...] >> > > You act as if you've given a robust definition of "the first person"

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 3:39 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *Given the definition of the first person*, [...] *By the definition of > the first person notion* [...] > You act as if you've given a robust definition of "the first person" that doesn't fall apart into logical contradictions at the

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 4:41:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Sep 2018, at 09:00, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 1:28:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Sep 2018, at 11:40, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday,

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:53, Bruce Kellett > wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I would say that mechanism explains rather well consciousness, through computer science and the logic of

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Sep 2018, at 08:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >> >> I would say that mechanism explains rather well consciousness, through >> computer science and the logic of self-reference ((which basically predict >> consciousness (indubitable, non

Re: Nerve cells in the human brain can "count"

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
It confirms Mechanism, like all biological studies, and most of observations in physics. It does not confirm directly the Mechanist Immaterialism, unlike QM, but, unless error in may derivation, it confirms it indirectly. It is not much, as there has never been any confirmation of the

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 1:28:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Sep 2018, at 11:40, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 2:48:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 21 Sep 2018, at 19:55, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 19,

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruce Kellett
From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I would say that mechanism explains rather well consciousness, through computer science and the logic of self-reference ((which basically predict consciousness (indubitable, non provable and non definable sort of knowledge), With that sort

Re: The codical-material universe

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Sep 2018, at 19:11, John Clark wrote: > > > > Bruno, that's my definition but think long and hard before you agree with it > because if you still agree with it in your next post I give you fair warning > my next question to you will be "How many cities will the Helsinki man see?”.

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

2018-09-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 22 Sep 2018, at 11:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 2:48:15 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Sep 2018, at 19:55, John Clark > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 7:20 PM Philip Thrift > > wrote: >> >> >> Mind is what a brain