Re: DNA Wormholes can cause cancer (what!?)

2015-04-06 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
*Subject:* Re: DNA Wormholes can cause cancer (what!?) Chris, Hi. It sounds like you might be in computing since you mentioned some terms like reposited (I've never heard of that in bio!)? If so, you are very well educated in biology. Nice job! Your knowledge of the complexity

Re: DNA Wormholes can cause cancer (what!?)

2015-04-05 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Hi. It is kind of an interesting job in that I can keep up with the latest stuff and I do find the idea of organizing scientific information very interesting. But, it can be a little boring sometimes, too. But, I guess most people would say that about their jobs, though.

Re: DNA Wormholes can cause cancer (what!?)

2015-04-04 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Hi. It's good that they have new studies confirming this stuff, but the looping of DNA into 3D structures inside the nucleus has been known for awhile. I think they're even starting to map these interactions just like the human genome project. One of the methods they use is to

Re: Something from nothing -- my attempt of derivation of a UTM.

2015-03-29 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Mindey, Hi. I basically agree with you especially about the ball/sphere part and have posted similar ideas here and elsewhere in the past. The whole something/nothing/empty-set thing has been discussed here extensively for probably at least 15 years and was last discussed about 3-4

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
What you're describing sounds a little bit like cellular automata, which start with a single cell (maybe the existent entity called nothing?) and a rule and out of that comes emergent stuff possibly like our universe. But, anyways I once again agree with what you're saying that the emergent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-25 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some other computer. And thus in arithmetic, which can be proved to emulate all computers, on all programs, on all input. This is standard knowledge for logicians, but not always well known by non-logicians. It is

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-24 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
The starting question is this: are you OK with the idea that we would not see any difference from our first person point of view with an artificial digital brain (copying the brain at some level of description). Putting him roughly: do you accept the idea that the brain is a sort of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-24 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger: It's possible that what we see as existing is a simulation in some other computer. But, even if we are a simulation, the simulation that is us exists as does the computer and the code we're a simulation in. My thinking is aimed at trying to figure out there are existent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-23 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
But, what is outside the head is a circle, with a circumference and a diameter. This is ambiguous.Are you talkng about the platonic perfect circle? Or about a circle physically realized, like with a pen and a compass? Roger: A physically realized circle. I doubt this exist. And

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-21 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger: Just because things can exist outside the mind/head doesn't mean that a specific thing does occur outside the mind/head. If the pi proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown outside the mind/head or any experimental evidence for the existence of the

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-20 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 2:49:12 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:48, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of calculating its

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of calculating its 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point and being confident that if you do the process that that number is either 0-9 are all located inside

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Jason et al., Overall, I can never disprove that mathematical constructs don't exist outside the head somewhere just like I can't prove my view that what we've previously considered to be the absolute lack-of-all is itself an existent entity just because no one can never or directly

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
touring, that'd be great! Some younger people, though, have never even heard of them or other bands from the 60s-80s. Roger On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
beyond the cosmological horizon and the interiors of black holes but so far only theory about multiple universes. Anyways, let's keep working at it! Roger On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:56:38 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Mostly I agree with everything you said. Specifically: By corollary and by symmetry this same optic of doubt can shine upon the notion of a real physical entity underlying the stuff we call real. What is real about a proton, electron, photon…etc.? Roger: I agree. Proton,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-18 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:52:34 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Roger, I have a question for you. Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too difficult to ever compute by anyone in this

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Roger, I have a question for you. Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-17 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Saturday, January 17, 2015 at 1:12:20 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: The only thing about Larry Krauss that I like is his sketching out a conjecture for faster than light travel. Agreed. Krauss kind of irritates me, too. His book title A universe from nothing: Why there is

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-16 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
, January 12, 2015 at 5:13:45 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 12 January 2015 at 17:23, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Everyone, I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-16 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
John, Thanks for the posting. I still have trouble conceiving of point particles with physical dimensions of zero. Wouldn't they be not there? But, all these ideas of getting something from nothing are on the right track, I think. And, at least you've made some testable predictions.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-15 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:28:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 08:05, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: I have to admit I have a hard time going with the idea of Platonism or mathematical constructs existing somewhere that no one can see or test. I sure

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
I have to admit I have a hard time going with the idea of Platonism or mathematical constructs existing somewhere that no one can see or test. I sure can't rule it out, but I'd like to be able to know where it is. Where? You seem to assume a sort of geometry at the start, but with

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-12 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Bruno, Hi. I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc., And if there is one. Normally, we already have debated that if there is no magic operating in the brain (another way to assume computationalism,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-12 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris and Brent, On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 1:42:43 AM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: Roger: It seems to me, too, that there are problems with zero dimensions, or point particles. I've never understood why physicists don't question the idea of a zero-dimensional point

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-12 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Hey Roger ~ sorry for the belatedness of my reply Roger: No problem. I know there were a lot of other passionate discussions going on here lately! - I really like your idea of imagining your mind growing to infinite size, but I agree it sounds pretty hard. I'm

Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-11 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Everyone, I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc., and stop talking about religion so much. It'd be nice if we could all also provide constructive criticism if we disagree, instead of insults. If this

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-11 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Everyone, I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc., and stop talking about religion so much. It'd be nice if we could all also provide constructive criticism if we disagree, instead of insults. If this

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-07 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, 1.It sure is hard to visualize the absolute lack-of-all, I agree. What I try to do is to shut my eyes and try to imagine the universe and all its volume collapsing down to just my body and then just my mindscape. Then, I push that darkness of the mindscape off to the side

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-07 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
If only through the we which think about that nothing. Is anything possible at all without an observer? -Chris Roger: If we're talking about the situation where there's only the absolute lack-of-all or the empty set, I think the only place the perspective/observer is coming from is

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-05 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Chris, Hi. I admit that something and nothing may be more of a comedy gold mine than I first wrote. It's nothing to sneeze at! :-) Although, I wonder if people who aren't interested in this stuff (e.g. almost everyone) would find it funny? It sounds like we're pretty much in

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-04 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2015 9:44 PM *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Even if the word exists has

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-03 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
theory to dialectics? On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Even if the word exists has no use because everything exists, it seems important to know why everything exists. How is it that a thing can exist? What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-02 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
question of Why is there something rather than nothing?. On Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:17:37 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:36 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: propose that a thing exists if it is a grouping

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2014-12-31 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:54:42 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 12:56 AM, 'Roger' via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I propose that a thing exists if it is a grouping or relationship present defining what is contained within

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2014-12-15 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Peter, Hi. I used to post here a long time ago, but thought I'd try it again. I agree with your post that to answer the question Why is there something rather than nothing?, we have to start with the supposed absolute lack-of-all and can't presuppose the laws of math, etc. I also

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2014-12-14 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
Peter, Hi. I've read parts of a few of your blog posts and found them very interesting and highly recommend them to others. To build on this thread of Why is there something rather than nothing?, I'd like to throw out some related ideas. I used to post here more often with this, but