Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-02 Thread LizR
On 3 March 2015 at 05:23, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Ambiguity is some kind of disease, is it? Well...it doesn't exactly help in developing a logically healthy mind. Aren't you just expressing your distaste for

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-02 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 9:50 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:16 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Who's personal experience? Bruno makes it clear that he only considers what someone writes in a diary as being what counts for the purposes of the

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-02 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Ambiguity is some kind of disease, is it? Well...it doesn't exactly help in developing a logically healthy mind. Aren't you just expressing your distaste for such things? Yes and no. John K Clark -- You received this

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread LizR
On 1 March 2015 at 14:29, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Who's personal experience? Bruno makes it clear that he only considers what someone writes in a diary as being what counts for the purposes of the thought experiment. (This is obviously a proxy for memory in most situations, but

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread LizR
On 1 March 2015 at 16:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify where you do and don't have a problem with the pronoun you? Presumably there is no problem for you if there is a unique world with only one

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread Kim Jones
On 2 Mar 2015, at 2:50 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: But very special type of duplicating machine where the laws of physics forbid anyone from observing any of the duplicates that the machine has made, so the personal pronoun you never causes ambiguity. John K Clark

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 2 March 2015 at 04:27, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: Instead of saying I hope I win the lottery they may say, if they are pedantic, I hope I end up the version of me that wins the lottery. If the lottery is tomorrow and they are pedantic they would say I hope the day after

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:16 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Who's personal experience? Bruno makes it clear that he only considers what someone writes in a diary as being what counts for the purposes of the thought experiment. (This is obviously a proxy for memory in most situations, but

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Mar 2015, at 02:29, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Like Everett Bruno is interested in predictions but unlike Everett Bruno thinks that good predictions are the key to personal identity, and that's just nuts. The sense

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-03-01 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: If we discovered some way of communicating with the other worlds, that would be interesting Interesting is a understatement, communicating with other worlds would change everything, then the situation really would

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: To be fair to Bruno, that is not what he claims. The FPI comes from the fundamental uncertainty in know which person you are, ^^^ John Clark doesn't understand the question. Which person who is? it seems Everett did

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Feb 2015, at 16:38, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: To be fair to Bruno, that is not what he claims. The FPI comes from the fundamental uncertainty in know which person you are, ^^^ John Clark doesn't understand the question.

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 9:38 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: To be fair to Bruno, that is not what he claims. The FPI comes from the fundamental uncertainty in know which person you are, ^^^ John Clark

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Feb 2015, at 19:50, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about all the peepee stuff but I do know that If Everett is right then all experiences exist, and if Everett is right nothing is random because the Schrodinger wave

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Feb 2015, at 00:06, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:50:21PM -0500, John Clark wrote: Yes, people very often, usually in fact, don't know with certainty what the future will bring. Bruno apparently believes he's the first to notice that, well he is the first to

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sunday, March 1, 2015, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stath...@gmail.com'); wrote: Can you clarify where you do and don't have a problem with the pronoun you? Presumably there is no problem

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Like Everett Bruno is interested in predictions but unlike Everett Bruno thinks that good predictions are the key to personal identity, and that's just nuts. The sense of self depends on the past not the future. You

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sunday, March 1, 2015, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jasonre...@gmail.com'); wrote: 2) Like Everett Bruno is interested in predictions but unlike Everett Bruno thinks that good

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-28 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Can you clarify where you do and don't have a problem with the pronoun you? Presumably there is no problem for you if there is a unique world with only one version of you. What about the MWI With Everett and with everyday

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-27 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about all the peepee stuff but I do know that If Everett is right then all experiences exist, and if Everett is right nothing is random because the Schrodinger wave equation is not random. He means it appears

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-27 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:50:21PM -0500, John Clark wrote: Yes, people very often, usually in fact, don't know with certainty what the future will bring. Bruno apparently believes he's the first to notice that, well he is the first to give that concept a pompous sounding acronym. As I said,

FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Feb 2015, at 18:47, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: There is another quote from Asimov that I quite like: Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived. Which confirms again how much the atheist needs

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-26 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It is very simple. If we are machine, we are duplicable, and in that case, using the precise (3p) definition of 3p and 1p pov I have given (more than one times), it is an exercise for high school students, as Kim explained once,

Re: FPI (was: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-02-26 Thread LizR
On 27 February 2015 at 09:38, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It is very simple. If we are machine, we are duplicable, and in that case, using the precise (3p) definition of 3p and 1p pov I have given (more than one times),