Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-12-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Dec 2018, at 16:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 2:42:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 15:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Nov

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-12-03 Thread agrayson2000
On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 2:42:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Dec 2018, at 15:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday,

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-12-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Dec 2018, at 15:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> What can be inferred

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-12-02 Thread agrayson2000
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you >> start from

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 Nov 2018, at 12:13, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you > start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation > and you

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-30 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, November 30, 2018 at 12:34:13 AM UTC, Brent wrote: > > What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you > start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation* > and you premise that there is a probability interpretation of a state*,

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Nov 2018, at 18:06, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >>

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-29 Thread Brent Meeker
What can be inferred always depends on what you take as premises. If you start from the Hilbert space formulation of QM or an equivalent formulation/*and you premise that there is a probability interpretation of  a state*/, then Gleason's theorem tells you that the Born rule provides the

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-29 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 5:06:50 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10,

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-29 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:56:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG >>

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-29 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 4:22:54 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG > > > > I can do that. > I don't believe it can be done. For example, even if there exists

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:10, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG I can do that. Actually the “universal dovetailer argument (UDA)” is a version of my thesis accessible to kids, at least up to the seventh step (the 8th one

If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

2018-11-28 Thread agrayson2000
Bruno, can you do it without resort to your idiosyncratic jargon? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to