Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 20/09/2007, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have that consciousness should not jump around as observer moments are created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine in our thought experiments. That was the

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-20 Thread Hal Finney
[By the way, I notice that I do not receive my own postings back in email, which makes my archive incomplete. Does anyone know if there is a way to configure the mailing list reflector to give me back my own messages?] Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:10:33PM -0700, Hal Finney

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-20 Thread Hal Finney
Stathis Papaioannou writes: On 20/09/2007, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have that consciousness should not jump around as observer moments are created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine in our

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 21/09/2007, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as functionalism, I agree that this kind of analysis argues against it. Indeed the post from Wei Dai which introduced this concept, which I quote here, http://www.udassa.com/origins.html (apologies for the incompleteness of this web

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 21/09/2007, Hal Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will probably agree that there are some branches of the multiverse where you did indeed die five minutes ago, and perhaps people are standing around staring in shock at your dead body. And supposing that you had just had a narrow escape

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-19 Thread Hal Finney
[I want to first note for the benefit of readers that I am Hal Finney and no relation to Hal Ruhl - it can be confusing having two Hal's on the list!] Rolf Nelson writes: UDASSA (if I'm interpreting it right, Hal?) says: 1. The measure of programs that produce OM (I am experiencing A, and I

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-19 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Sep 19, 2007 at 12:10:33PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: The lifetime formulation also captures the intuition many people have that consciousness should not jump around as observer moments are created in the various simulations and scenarios we imagine in our thought experiments. That was

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-18 Thread Wei Dai
Hal wrote: Yes, as you note later this is very similar to the concept I called UD+ASSA or just UDASSA and described in a series of postings to this list back in 2005. It was not original with me but actually was based on an idea of Wei Dai, who founded this last way back in 1998. I was

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-17 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Sep 15, 2007 at 01:25:04PM -, Rolf Nelson wrote: If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find ourselves in a Goldilocks Universe of stars and galaxies rather than a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more complex,

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-sept.-07, à 15:25, Rolf Nelson a écrit : If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find ourselves in a Goldilocks Universe of stars and galaxies rather than a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more complex, unpredictable Harry Potter

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-17 Thread Rolf Nelson
World-Index-Compression Postulate: The most probable way for the output of a random UTM program to be a single qualia, is through having a part of the program calculate a Universe, U, that is similar to the universe we currently are observing; and then having another part of the program

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-17 Thread Rolf Nelson
and would get angry if I punched it I meant to say, would punch me back if I punched it. It's begging the question for the search algorithm to know whether the internal mental state is angry. -Rolf --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-17 Thread Rolf Nelson
The considerations trying to solve the measure problem have not been that primitive, but much better. The concept of a cubic meter won't make sense in most of the universes, and to compare infinities in a rigorous manner is nothing new to mathematicians. Both, Standish and Schmidhuber (and

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-16 Thread Rolf Nelson
Steven Smithee is not just a Black Belt Bayesian, but a Black Belt at Keeping Track of Who Has Said What About Cool Topics in Web Pages that are Linked To from Nowhere Else on the Internet. He pointed out http://udassa.com/summary1.html, where someone (Hal Finney, if we go by 'whois') said: A

Re: One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-16 Thread Hal Finney
Rolf writes: World-Index-Compression Postulate: The most probable way for the output of a random UTM program to be a single qualia, is through having a part of the program calculate a Universe, U, that is similar to the universe we currently are observing; and then having another part of the

One solution to the Measure Problem: UTM outputs a qualia, not a universe

2007-09-15 Thread Rolf Nelson
If I understand the Measure Problem correctly, we wonder why we find ourselves in a Goldilocks Universe of stars and galaxies rather than a simpler universe consisting solely of blackbody radiation, or a more complex, unpredictable Harry Potter universe. 1. An attempt at the solution was that