Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

There's very little we know for sure.  But most of us have confidence other people, dogs, birds, octopuses,... are conscious because they act certain ways.   And we even have some evidence about the level of consciousness based on behavior.  As AI is developed I expect we will further quantify

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

This discussion is worse than establishing some propositions are undecidable. In those cases, at least we know what we're referring to. In this case NOT. If we're unable to define what we're talking about, we can't reach any conclusions. AG On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:54:46 PM UTC-6

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:54 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > *>If simple creatures like worms or insects are conscious, (because they >> have brains, and evolved), then wouldn't these artificial life

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

Since consciousness is a subjective experience, how can one know for sure? LC On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > Artificial Life such as these organisms: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX > ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, May 5, 2022 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious? On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 6:50 PM wrote: Beyond my intellectual pay scale Jason. So far, nobody has developed a Turing passable machine that knocks us down with it's

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

rain project, which has the stated goal of simulating the human brain. Jason > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Resch > To: Everything List > Sent: Mon, May 2, 2022 7:18 pm > Subject: Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious? > > > > On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 3:39 PM spudboy10

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

pm Subject: Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious? On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 3:39 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: I had read that spindle cells delineate consciousness, according to neurobiologists. Anyone see anything different? Spindle neurons are very large cells, with their fibers stretchi

RE: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

-Socialist pagan globalism of the WAMP. -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 4:30 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious? On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 09:38:40PM -0500, Jason R

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 7:06 PM Russell Standish wrote: > *> Hi John, always a pleasure to cross swords with your brain :).* Greetings Russell, and I feel the same way you do; or at least I'm pretty sure I do, but there is always a bit of uncertainty when determining the conscious state of

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 08:03:21AM -0400, Jason Resch wrote: > Hi Russell, > > Thanks for sharing. I had read this argument before, I believe in your book, > and reread it again just now. It is compelling and a quite novel approach to > the question. > > However, I do not see it as bullet proof.

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 3:39 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I had read that spindle cells delineate consciousness, according to > neurobiologists. Anyone see anything different? > > Spindle neurons are very large cells, with their fibers stretching

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

Hi John, always a pleasure to cross swords with your brain :). However, your quibbles below are easy to address - see below. On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 06:03:47AM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 5:30 AM Russell Standish wrote: > > > > Most insects can't be consious (see my

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

I had read that spindle cells delineate consciousness, according to neurobiologists. Anyone see anything different? -Original Message- From: Russell Standish To: Everything List Sent: Mon, May 2, 2022 5:30 am Subject: Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious? On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 09:38

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 2, 2022, 5:30 AM Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 09:38:40PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > Artificial Life such as these organisms: > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX > > ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots ) > > > > Have

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 5:30 AM Russell Standish wrote: * > Most insects can't be consious (see my paper "Ants are not conscious").* *I just read the abstract, and its very first sentence is: * "*Anthropic reasoning is a form of statistical reasoning based upon finding oneself a member of a

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 09:38:40PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > Artificial Life such as these organisms: > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX > ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots ) > > Have neural networks that evolved through natural selection, can adapt

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 4/23/2022 4:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think you missed an essential aspect of higher level consciousness.  The subconscious is predictive and what is noticed consciously are little (or sometimes big) corrections to what was predicted. I agree that is an important trait

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:31:03 PM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 6:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 4/23/2022 8:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >> >>> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >>> On Saturday, April

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 4/23/2022 8:41 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: > Artificial Life such as these organisms: >

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:57:54 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >>> On

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 9:41:24 AM UTC-6 Jason wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: >> >>> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >>> > Artificial Life such as these

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 3:03:49 AM UTC-6 smi...@zonnet.nl wrote: > >> On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: >> > Artificial Life such as these organisms: >> > >> > >>

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

Is *non*-artificial life, other than me of course, conscious? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis o00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On 23-04-2022 04:38, Jason Resch wrote: Artificial Life such as these organisms: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq_mdJjNRPT11IF4NFyLcIWJ1C0Z3hTAX ( https://github.com/jasonkresch/bots ) Have neural networks that evolved through natural selection, can adapt to a changing environment,