Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

I had the impression that we are discussing about the nature of reality here, not about how to pay bills. On Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:22:11 UTC+3, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > Brain is what neurosurgeons get paid to work on and what neuroscientists > study. It may all be maya, an illusion, but

Re: for Cosmin

You cannot invalidate the fact that consciousness is all there is, because for any fact X that you assume that you discover, that X is a thought in consciousness. Evolution is the evolution of consciousness - I don't see where I borrow anything from materialist ideas. Evolution is deducible

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Then there is nothing more to talk about. You cannot talk with someone that lacks the basic understandings in a field. Is like talking to a blind person about how to jump over obstacles without touching them, and he will continue to repeat that you need to touch them, otherwise how would you

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 3:50:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Ok, so how does it appear ? > > > Like this (you're getting kind of dense). > > > > > If you show that picture to a rock, does the rock see red ? > > > I

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:50:17 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > > Ok, so how does it appear ? > > > Like this (you're getting kind of dense). > You don't really understand the question, do you ? > > If you show that picture to a

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

In case you still don't understand, let me give you another helping hand: If you give to a computer the duck-rabbit image, what it will "see" ? On Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:29:51 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > > I did and I still don't see your point. Yes computers can make observation > -- You

Re: for Cosmin

At some point your theory must collide with the inescapable constraints of our universe (gravity, laws of physics, etc) or it is completely useless. In that collision there is opportunity to show how your theory could be wrong. If you can't do that, you're no different from the religious

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 27 Apr 2019, at 08:24, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 3:25:44 PM UTC-5, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 2:04:31 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> Consciousness. Red is red. >> >> On Friday, 26 April 2019 10:03:26 UTC+3,

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 22:25, cloudver...@gmail.com > wrote: > > >> >> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 2:04:31 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> Consciousness. Red is red. >> >> On Friday, 26 April 2019 10:03:26 UTC+3, cloud...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> What

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 18:51, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On Friday, 26 April 2019 18:41:06 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> And there can be more said about existence. How I also detail in the book, >> existance is first the act of self-reference of

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 27 Apr 2019, at 09:28, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > Computations are observer-relative. Th results of computations are observer-relative, but the computations are absolute, by the Church-Turing thesis. It is easy to write one simple program which generates all

Re: for Cosmin

@Terren, you left out without arguments and you start to insult people ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

There is no definition for such a thing. It is just a non-sensical concept. It's as if stepping in the mud and saying: "Look! The mud information processed the shape of my foot! The mud is so intelligent! He must have rights!!!" On Monday, 29 April 2019 15:27:26 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >

Re: for Cosmin

Shine on, you crazy diamond! On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:48 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Saying such a thing is not even understanding what the concept of time > means. I highly recommend you my paper "The Quale of Time" where I prove > beyond

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 3:33 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *there is nothing more to talk about.* I have lots more to talk about but you don't because you have no counter argument to my criticisms except for a canned "*fill-in-the-blank* does not exist" and

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, at 15:16, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 26 Apr 2019, at 15:33, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> ** >>> *AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals* >>> ** >>> *John

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 21:09, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2019 9:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> If none, should we expect that in some future year we will find some final >>> ontology? >> >> With mechanism, the combinators are enough, or the natural numbers,

Re: Everything List Conference

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 19:38, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2019 12:23 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> I am a member of >> >> Atoms and the Void >> Free Thinkers Physics

Re: for Cosmin

Saying such a thing is not even understanding what the concept of time means. I highly recommend you my paper "The Quale of Time" where I prove beyond doubts that there is no "physical time": https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan The task is not only of idealism of deducting

Re: for Cosmin

First thing first, you're the one who started insulting people... Secondly, as much as we've asked, you didn't provide any evidence for your delirium. So do provide a test that could invalidate your claims or keep them for your own entertainment. Quentin Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 à 15:17, 'Cosmin

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 15:33, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals > > John Basl is assistant professor of philosophy at Northeastern University in > Boston > >

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

Semantics means meaning, and meaning is something that exists in consciousness. You cannot use that for any "programming". On Monday, 29 April 2019 16:16:49 UTC+3, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On "Consciousness is not in the processing, but in truth, or in the > semantic related to that

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 7:27:26 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Apr 2019, at 15:33, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > *AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals* > > *John Basl is assistant professor of philosophy at Northeastern University > in Boston* > > >

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 19:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2019 12:03 AM, cloudver...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 7:28:52 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 4/25/2019 1:42 PM, cloud...@gmail.com

Re: for Cosmin

> On 29 Apr 2019, at 08:44, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > You cannot invalidate the fact that consciousness is all there is, because > for any fact X that you assume that you discover, that X is a thought in > consciousness. But I don’t see why this invalidate that there

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 02:38, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:45 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 01:24, Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:16 AM Bruno Marchal >

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 26 Apr 2019, at 02:50, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 03:32, Jason Resch > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 7:51 PM 'Brent Meeker' via

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Monday, 29 April 2019 16:23:48 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Apr 2019, at 18:51, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > On Friday, 26 April 2019 18:41:06 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> And there can be more said about existence.

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

On 4/29/2019 5:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Apr 2019, at 15:33, cloudver...@gmail.com wrote: * * * * *AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals* * * /John Basl is assistant professor of philosophy at Northeastern University in Boston/

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:00 PM 'Cosmin Visan' t < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *> What does a computer "see" in the duck-rabbit image ?* > Nothing, because ducks and rabbits don't exist, and neither do computers or images. But don't change the subject, work up your courage and

Re: Aeon: "AIs should have the same ethical protections as animals"

Now that is something programming language theorists would not agree with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics_(computer_science) : In programming language theory , *semantics* is the field concerned with the ... study of the

Re: for Cosmin

What is it that I claim ? I only claim that consciousness is all there is. What proof you want for this ? It is self-evident. On Monday, 29 April 2019 17:44:39 UTC+3, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > First thing first, you're the one who started insulting people... > Secondly, as much as we've asked,

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

What does a computer "see" in the duck-rabbit image ? On Monday, 29 April 2019 18:55:40 UTC+3, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 3:33 AM 'Cosmin Visan' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > *there is nothing more to talk about.* > > > I have lots more to talk about but you

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

Oh, so now when you are faced with a real problem, you start to change the subject ? This is the subject: you say that you just open the eyes and... ***SEE IT***. And I gave you an example: I put in front of you and of a computer the duck-rabbit image and I ask you then to open your eyes and

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 8:41:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Apr 2019, at 22:25, cloud...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >>> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 2:04:31 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: Consciousness. Red is red. On Friday, 26 April 2019 10:03:26 UTC+3,

Re: for Cosmin

On Monday, 29 April 2019 17:03:53 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Apr 2019, at 08:44, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > You cannot invalidate the fact that consciousness is all there is, because > for any fact X that you assume that you

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

You again use your upside down logic in which you start from the existence of computers and conclude your own existence, when in fact you should start from your own existence and conclude the inexistence of computers. Since you exist, you have the properties that existence itself has, namely

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On 4/28/2019 11:49 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: On Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:50:17 UTC+3, Brent wrote: On 4/28/2019 11:09 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Ok, so how does it appear ? Like this (you're getting kind of dense). You don't really

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019, at 12:02, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Apr 2019, at 14:09, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, at 09:09, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >>> 1) The qualia of black-and-white is not on the same level with the qualia >>> of colors. The qualia

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:20 PM 'Cosmin Visan' t < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Oh, so now when you are faced with a real problem, you start to change > the subject ?* > I humbly submit you're the one changing the subject and pretending I never wrote a long post that you refuse

Re: for Cosmin

No.?? What is self-evident is that there is /*a*/ consciousness (as Bertrand Russell noted "I" is a construct). Brent On 4/29/2019 8:59 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: What is it that I claim ? I only claim that consciousness is all there is. What proof you want for this ? It is