Re: Platonia

2011-02-23 Thread 1Z
On Feb 23, 9:46 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 22 Feb 2011, at 22:14, benjayk wrote: > Molecules and Cells are formal things. Form is matter, in *some*   > sense. Form is not *primary* matter in any sense. > People having problem with numbers have been victim of a traumatic   > teaching of mat

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-23 Thread Dick Gordon
Dear Evgenii & Bruno, Half tongue in cheek, in: Tuszynski, J.A. & R. Gordon (2008). A mean field Ising model for cortical rotation in amphibian one cell stage embryos. In. Eds. Toronto, Society for Mathematical Biology Conference, July 30 - August 2, 2008. I used the following reasoning: IF micr

Re: Platonia

2011-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2011, at 22:14, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Now, just recall that "Platonia" is based on classical logic where the falsity f, or 0 = 1, entails all proposition. So if you insist to say that 0 = 1, I will soon prove that you owe to me A billions

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread 1Z
On Feb 23, 3:02 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, 1Z wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 3:06 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:15 AM, 1Z wrote: > > > > > On Feb 18, 5:30 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong but I think

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread 1Z
On Feb 23, 4:10 pm, benjayk wrote: > 1Z wrote: > > Then God does not exist as an actor in the world, but God does still exists > as an idea.   > > 1Z wrote: > > >> >> 1Z wrote: > > >> >> >>"something existing" or simply existence exists, if it is meaningful > >> >> >> to use the word "not", "som

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread 1Z
On Feb 23, 4:10 pm, benjayk wrote: > 1Z wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 3:07 pm, benjayk wrote: > >> 1Z wrote: > > >> > On Feb 17, 8:52 pm, benjayk wrote: > >> >> 1Z wrote: > > >> >> > On Feb 17, 6:14 pm, benjayk wrote: > >> >> >> 1Z wrote: > > >> >> >> > On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk > >> wrote: > >>

To extract physics, you need only the self-referential invariant?

2011-02-23 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Bruno, Could you explain this a bit more? “The ideally correct machine is to the human what a material point is to the sun. My answer tries only to help you to understand what I mean by a knowing machine, not really a knowing human. Human have non-monotonic layers, they can updat

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Feb 2011, at 19:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Thank you for your answers. I have still a coupled of questions. > But with computer science, intuition can be misleading. Intuition could be misleading not only in computer science. I know. >> Moreover my first person view assumes that there a

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread benjayk
1Z wrote: > > > > On Feb 18, 4:00 pm, benjayk wrote: >> 1Z wrote: >> >> > On Feb 17, 10:38 pm, benjayk wrote: >> >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote: >> >> >> > On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote: >> >> >> >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote: >> >> >> 1Z wro

Re: Platonia

2011-02-23 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> >> >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Brent Meeker-2 wrote: > >> The easy way is to assume inconsistent descriptions are merely an >> arbitrary >> combination of symbols that fail to describe something in >> particular and >> thus h

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread benjayk
1Z wrote: > > > > On Feb 18, 3:07 pm, benjayk wrote: >> 1Z wrote: >> >> > On Feb 17, 8:52 pm, benjayk wrote: >> >> 1Z wrote: >> >> >> > On Feb 17, 6:14 pm, benjayk wrote: >> >> >> 1Z wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 1Z wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Comp

Re: Observers Class Hypothesis

2011-02-23 Thread stephenk
Hi! On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 22 Feb 2011, at 07:58, Russell Standish wrote: > snip > > > When observing data, it is important that observers are relatively > > insensitive to error. It does not help to not recognise a lion in the > > African savannah, just because it is part

Re: Maudlin & How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:32 PM, 1Z wrote: > > > On Feb 18, 3:06 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 6:15 AM, 1Z wrote: > > > > > On Feb 18, 5:30 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > Peter, > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong but I think we have established some things > we > > > > a