Re: The limit of all computations

2012/5/21 Stephen P. King > On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: > > On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of > numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of > the homomorphies between all po

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 8:15 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 10:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrot

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 10:26 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: The result is an exhaustive classification of compact 4-mainifolds. The absence of such a classification neither prevents nor entails the existence of the manifolds. But you fail to see that without the mean

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 10:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an

Re: Free will in MWI

> On May 20, 1:49 pm, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > All free will means is any change made because you wanted to. > > That would be fine except I know that is NOT all you believe "free will" > means because I know you would not be happy about a ca

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: The result is an exhaustive classification of compact 4-mainifolds. The absence of such a classification neither prevents nor entails the existence of the manifolds. But you fail to see that without the means to define the manifolds, there is nothi

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 4:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: I need to add a remark here. We cannot just assume one particular 4-manifold as the one we exist on/in. We have to consider the entire ensemble of them to even ask coherent questions about the one we are in. But we don't have to assume the ense

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 7:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between all possible 4-manifolds. Why? Hi Brent,

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between all possible 4-manifolds. Why? Markov theorem tells us that no such homomorphy e

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 3:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 1:03 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/20 Stephen P. King > On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations goin

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 10:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 3) Is there at least one physical system running the computations? No, if the UDA is correct... well technically there still could be a primitive physical universe, but you could not use it to correctly predict your next moment, nor what you

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your current state, a

Re: “Markov's theorem

On 20 May 2012, at 19:03, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. Dear Evgenii, I am just a

Re: Free will in MWI

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > All free will means is any change made because you wanted to. That would be fine except I know that is NOT all you believe "free will" means because I know you would not be happy about a calculator having free will, but when the keys "2" "

Re: Free will in MWI

On 19 May 2012, at 19:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 18, 2:56 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 May 2012, at 23:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 17, 2:04 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Sense and matter is what I search an explanation for. You start at the finishing line. That's why you are

Re: The limit of all computations

2012/5/20 Stephen P. King > On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, > the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your > current state... what is computable is your current state, an infinit

Re: “Markov's theorem

On 5/20/2012 9:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. Dear Evgenii, I am just a person with insatiable curiosity and the strange ab

Re: The limit of all computations

On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your current state, an infinity of computations goes through it. S

Re: “Markov's theorem

Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. It seems to me that your writing implies that there is the intimate connections between mathematics and the Universe. Could you

Re: Simple question

On May 20, 1:15 am, meekerdb wrote: > "You" only split when some quantum event gets amplified to make a > macroscopic, i.e. > quasi-classical, difference.  Otherwise "Craig Weinberg" is a somewhat fuzzy > operator > projecting onto a lot of slight different, but classically equivalent, > subspa

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012/5/20 Stephen P. King > On 5/20/2012 12:24 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > >> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 01:17:18PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >>> Dear Bruno, >>> >>> I finally found a good and accessible paper>> url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&**source=web&cd=1&sqi=