Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb > wrote: > > On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 7:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clark *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21,

RE: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Belief vs Truth On 11/22/2013 3:24 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: Brent's dichotomy - as you

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 3:24 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: Brent's dichotomy - as you pointed out - about exist and true may go deeper in my opinion: If we *_THINK _*of something: it DOES *_exist_* indeed */(in our mind)/* but may not be true. I refrain from calling T R U E anything in our restsricted

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had

RE: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 12:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Global warming silliness On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> Pe

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Nov 2013, at 19:36, Richard Ruquist wrote: The New Scientist article that Liz linked says essentially that crises happen when workers outnumber the available jobs especially elite jobs: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html#.U

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 00:24, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: Brent's dichotomy - as you pointed out - about exist and true may go deeper in my opinion: If we THINK of something: it DOES exist indeed (in our mind) but may not be true. I refrain from calling T R U E anything in our restsricted (pa

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 00:40, John Mikes wrote: How about alcoholic drinks? They may kill, put you in a frenzy, destroy your self-control and is addictive. How about GAMBLING? it destroys families and cause tragedies.Also addictive. How about tobacco? you don't kill anybody for having used it, e

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
I vary from filthy rich to excessively rich. But for this group, I toned it down. I think history speaks for itself. Richard On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, John Mikes wrote: > Thanks, Richard, excellent reverberation. I just frown when I read "rich" > - who are they? lately the word "milliona

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread John Mikes
How about alcoholic drinks? They may kill, put you in a frenzy, destroy your self-control and is addictive. How about GAMBLING? it destroys families and cause tragedies.Also addictive. How about tobacco? you don't kill anybody for having used it, except yourself and maybe people in your surrounding

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-22 Thread John Mikes
Bruno: Brent's dichotomy - as you pointed out - about exist and true may go deeper in my opinion: If we *THINK *of something: it DOES *exist* indeed *(in our mind)* but may not be true. I refrain from calling T R U E anything in our restsricted (partial) knowledge capability. "WE THINK IT IS TRU

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Richard, excellent reverberation. I just frown when I read "rich" - who are they? lately the word "millionaire" lost it's taste: with a middle-class family home of - say - 700K value and some cash set aside: an average retiree is a millionaire. Billionaire is not so easy: there is a gap i

Re: Pre-established harmony ? Computers programs exhibit pre-established harmony.

2013-11-22 Thread LizR
My programmer husband respectfully points out that the harmony - such as it is - wasn't pre-established, but put together by a load of software engineers. On 22 November 2013 23:59, Roger Clough wrote: > Pre-established harmony ? Computers programs exhibit pre-established > harmony. > > > Dr.

Re: Global warming silliness

2013-11-22 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> People who vote for the German Green Party are dimwits, and it ain't ad >> hominem if it's true. >> > > And people who term the Fukushima disaster as a “run of the mill > industrial accident” – which you said – are so far out of touch wi

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
The New Scientist article that Liz linked says essentially that crises happen when workers outnumber the available jobs especially elite jobs: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html#.Uo-iDdK-qFA Turchin has found what he believes to be his

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 22:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno, The rich have been trying to take over the US govt to reduce their tax burden for over 100 years. Every time they have succeeded the result has been an economic crash usually followed by war. That happened in 1857 after a decade of

RE: Peak Oil fact of the day

2013-11-22 Thread Chris de Morsella
The global oil industry spent $3.5 Trillion, or $500 billion per year on average, for 2006 to 2012 inclusive of upstream (exploration and production) costs. �� For 2006 to 2012 inclusive, global "actual crude oil" production averaged 73.7 mbpd, versus 73.6 mbpd in 2005. �� So it took

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Nov 2013, at 14:38, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Cou

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution > when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule > laws made by Con

Pre-established harmony ? Computers programs exhibit pre-established harmony.

2013-11-22 Thread Roger Clough
Pre-established harmony ? Computers programs exhibit pre-established harmony. Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] See my Leibniz site at http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To un

Re: Belief vs Truth

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 19:28, meekerdb wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Let´s go to a human level: in evolutionary terms, I would say that truth is a belief hardcoded by natural selection. This is self-defeating or circular. You need the "truth" of natural selection to mak

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: "I admire the US c

Re: Nuclear power

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 17:47, Chris de Morsella wrote: >> You worry me a little bit I was joking with the tanks ... (Well I was hoping being joking ...). I do worry that some federal prosecutor (with jurisdiction in Washington or Colorado) will go on a personal Jihad or that a new fede