Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE > > A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would > go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its > conception, is still derived from the principles of

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-15 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 16 March 2014 09:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/ > > Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_) > > Since the VCR can g

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Craig, > > Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my eye out of its socket and turn it > around then I guess by your theory I'd have self awareness? > It's not my theory, but does computationalism provide a reason why your eye lo

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:15:01 PM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:08:15 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 15:38, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/15/2014 7:02 PM, LizR wrote: > > I tend to suppose the HP shows we live in a multiverse, so the > possibilities within a given volume are proportional to the volume of the > volume, but the ones realised in our branch of the MV are proportional to

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 09:39, wrote: > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> On 15 March 2014 08:18, wrote: >>> If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor r

Re: Hell on Earth

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
If they have a drug to let you squeeze more hours into the day everyone will want it so they can fit in more work. The wonders of capitalism will mean everyone has to take it to stay competitive... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" gro

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:08:13 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > On 16 March 2014 12:19, > wrote: > >> >> sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such >> slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me >> sidekick... >> > > Looks like someone has discovered a

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread meekerdb
On 3/15/2014 7:02 PM, LizR wrote: On 16 March 2014 08:04, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 3/14/2014 7:21 PM, Matt Bell wrote: This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am very new to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscap

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Richard Ruquist
The situation at everything list seems to be deteriorating. On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 10:08 PM, LizR wrote: > On 16 March 2014 12:19, wrote: > >> >> sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such >> slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me >> side

Re: Hell on Earth

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:50:29 AM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: > > Something tells me these researchers have snorted some Salvia Divinorum. > > A way of emptying prisons has arrived: you go to prison for some horrible > murder or atrocity you commit and the prison sentence is "two hundred > year

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 12:19, wrote: > > sweet jesus...why do you bother yourself johnny boy, with such > slobbering drivel when your hearts not in it. Get an evil little mini-me > sidekick... > Looks like someone has discovered a new insult! Whatever happened to netiquette? I found that article rath

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 08:04, meekerdb wrote: > On 3/14/2014 7:21 PM, Matt Bell wrote: > >> This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am >> very new to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscape of ideas), but >> it has been on my mind recently. >> >> If you subscribe t

Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
Hence, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". Franklin D Roosevelt got that one right. On 16 March 2014 06:48, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > >> You know I love the french (a bit cynical) poem: > > 'man had the good, > but he sought the best, > he found the bad, > and kept it, > by fear of th

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well, astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster struck, move from the valley where the soil was full of salt or whatever, start again with a fresh load of resources. I can't see us doing that this tim

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:02:31 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, > because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel > sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or > similar). > >

Re: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
On 16 March 2014 05:48, Chris de Morsella wrote: > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Kim Jones > > > On 15 Mar 2014, at 5:31 pm, LizR wrote: > > The Catholic Church had a similar policy, I believe. "Give us a person for > the fir

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:08:15 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE >>> >>> A brief, handy rebuttal

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:35:19 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jesse Mazer > > wrote: > > > >>> So, like a creationist > > > >> You need a new insult, you've used that one before. > > > > It's not an insult > > > Of course not, I'm sure that being insulting

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or similar). This does of course explain why SETI hasn't found anything. Hell of a way t

Re: Video of VCR

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my eye out of its socket and turn it around then I guess by your theory I'd have self awareness? Edgar On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >

Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
I can find nothing to argue with here, I too have been saying this for a while now. Ronald Wright is the go-to man for the exact details imho. On 16 March 2014 06:33, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Beh

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:50:41 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:39:54 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: O

Video of VCR

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/ Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_) Since the VCR can get video feedback of itself, is there any computational r

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:39:54 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> On 15 March 2014 08:18, wrote: >>> If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm remin

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:38:18 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 15 March 2014 08:18, wrote: >> >>> >>> If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor >>> responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, March 14, 2014 11:26:26 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > On 15 March 2014 08:18, > wrote: > >> >> If you're a Doctor Who fan, I'm reminded of a scene where the Doctor >> responds adamantly to a suggested way to deal with a threat by saying "you >> don't understand, I can't do that. I have rul

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread meekerdb
On 3/15/2014 2:58 AM, LizR wrote: I read a detective story with this subject. I don't wish to spoil it for anyone, so stop reading now if that's a worry! - I think it may have been in "The strange case of Mrs Hudson's cat" by Colin Bruce. Someone is

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread meekerdb
On 3/14/2014 7:21 PM, Matt Bell wrote: This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am very new to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscape of ideas), but it has been on my mind recently. If you subscribe to the theories of MWI/UDA, then the idea of quantum immo

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE >> >> A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would >> go further, and say that in

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:23:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > I'm not sure I'm convinced by the video. Why can't the brain think it's > "about something" ? > Because it doesn't need to. A coffee filter has an effect of coffee, but that doesn't mean that the filter intends to 'make coffee' or is

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is > nothing at all. > > > Craig, you have just explained to me the basis of my discalculia. No one

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
>> You know I love the french (a bit cynical) poem: 'man had the good, but he sought the best, he found the bad, and kept it, by fear of the worst.' Kind regards, Bruno Nice... I mean bad :) Fear becomes, within the hidden unexamined recesses of mind, a self-driving psychological mechanism, w

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen >>All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my >>thinking.. Edgar Without wishing for it – nobody (except, the Doomerist lunatic fringe perhaps,

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 5:57 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating All, In terms of the Permian and

RE: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones On 15 Mar 2014, at 5:31 pm, LizR wrote: The Catholic Church had a similar policy, I believe. "Give us a person for the first five years and they will be ours for life" or words

RE: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR The Catholic Church had a similar policy, I believe. "Give us a person for the first five years and they will be ours for life" or words to that effect. And so it was, until a few brave

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, In terms of the Permian and Cretaceous extinctions the theory I find most compelling in both cases is asteroid strikes whose resulting strike energies were also focused at the antipodes. The energy of the Cretaceous strike off the Yucatan was focused in India where it ruptured the crust r

New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my thinking.. Edgar http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists NASA-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-15 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:39:21 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Mar 2014, at 21:40, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:26:47 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:21:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 14 Mar 2014, at 1

Hell on Earth

2014-03-15 Thread Kim Jones
Something tells me these researchers have snorted some Salvia Divinorum. A way of emptying prisons has arrived: you go to prison for some horrible murder or atrocity you commit and the prison sentence is "two hundred years". If you are really bad you get a thousand years. In reality, you have o

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Kim Jones
> On 15 Mar 2014, at 8:25 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > > So one could play you some Ferneyhough, say Shadowtime, and you'd be able to > score it on first listen? I know nobody that has an ear that good, but then > every person makes me wrong every day anyway :-) Ha ha h! I don

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread LizR
I read a detective story with this subject. I don't wish to spoil it for anyone, so stop reading now if that's a worry! - I think it may have been in "The strange case of Mrs Hudson's cat" by Colin Bruce. Someone is found dead, connected up to some sort

Re: Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Mar 2014, at 03:21, Matt Bell wrote: This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am very new to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscape of ideas), but it has been on my mind recently. Welcome Matt. If you subscribe to the theories of MWI/UDA, the

Re: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 22:25, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 10:11, Kim Jones wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg wrote: Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 21:40, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 8:26:47 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:21:05 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 16:18, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 9, 2014 6:32:08 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 3/9

Universal Programming

2014-03-15 Thread Matt Bell
This may very possibly be an idea that has already been discussed (I am very new to this topic, so I'm still exploring the landscape of ideas), but it has been on my mind recently. If you subscribe to the theories of MWI/UDA, then the idea of quantum immortality/suicide follows (an observer onl

Re: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Kim Jones
> On 15 Mar 2014, at 5:31 pm, LizR wrote: > > The Catholic Church had a similar policy, I believe. "Give us a person for > the first five years and they will be ours for life" or words to that effect. > Indeed. And - of course, another intention would be to bypass those dangerous freethi

Re: Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:49, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:46:09 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Mar 2014, at 17:08, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, March 7, 2014 8:18:22 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/6/2014 2:58 PM