On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
On 18 August 2014 23:27, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not entirely clear on Bruno's argument on this last point. The way
I see it, if a brain is simulated by a computer program, what is being
simulated
On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:00:10 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 8/18/2014 4:38 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:48:48 PM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 8/8/2014 8:34 PM, Pierz wrote:
In The Conscious Mind, Chalmers bases his claim that materialism has
failed to provide
On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 4:12:17 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 8/18/2014 1:49 AM, Pierz wrote:
On Monday, August 18, 2014 5:33:19 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 8/17/2014 5:43 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thank you Bruno for your response. Honestly I don't know if I'd say yes
to the doctor.
On 19 August 2014 01:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
So the idea is that comp necessarily entails epistemological logics (the
dreams of the machines)
Except that it seems to be an epistemology very different from ones we
usually practice. What's the last time you learned a fact about
On 19 August 2014 07:10, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
What we know is that the brain can generate consciousness. The brain is not
a digital computer running a program, but if it can be simulated by one,
and if the simulation is conscious, and if the program can be run in
On 18 Aug 2014, at 06:24, LizR wrote:
On 18 August 2014 15:49, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think that a sustained stream of consciousness will probably be
part of a computation that instantiates physics - instantiates a
whole universe complete with physics.
It
On 18 Aug 2014, at 09:56, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 18 August 2014 15:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/17/2014 8:49 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
Both consciousness and physics supervene on the computations,
which exist
necessarily. Consciousness does not supervene on
On 8/19/2014 2:53 AM, Pierz wrote:
If you're going to stick with this argument you need to be more rigorous
about it
and not just lazily rely on your intuition. How specifically does the
computer
distinguish computation about something from computation about ... what?
nothing?
On 18 Aug 2014, at 10:49, Pierz wrote:
On Monday, August 18, 2014 5:33:19 AM UTC+10, Brent wrote:
On 8/17/2014 5:43 AM, Pierz wrote:
Thank you Bruno for your response. Honestly I don't know if I'd
say yes to the doctor.
It's cowardly of me, but I think I'd like to see the device work
On 8/19/2014 3:10 AM, David Nyman wrote:
On 19 August 2014 01:53, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
So the idea is that comp necessarily entails epistemological logics (the
dreams
of the machines)
Except that it seems to be an epistemology
On 8/19/2014 8:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Aug 2014, at 09:56, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 18 August 2014 15:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/17/2014 8:49 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
Both consciousness and physics supervene on the computations, which exist
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 6:16 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/19/2014 8:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Aug 2014, at 09:56, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On 18 August 2014 15:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/17/2014 8:49 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
Both
Pretty interesting piece of biomimetic technology that mimics the synapses in a
biological brain. Could this be the hardware that gives rise to the self aware
machine?
Neuromorphic ‘atomic-switch’ networks function like synapses in the brain |
KurzweilAI
Neuromorphic
Stathis:
you wrote Aug.19:
*What we know is that the brain can generate consciousness. The brain is
not a digital computer running a program, but if it can be simulated by
one, and if the simulation is conscious, and if the program can be run in
Platonia rather than on a physical computer, then
Sorry for being again a bit out of phase.
On 18 Aug 2014, at 15:15, Pierz wrote:
On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:19:32 PM UTC+10, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Aug 2014, at 14:43, Pierz wrote:
Thank you Bruno for your response. Honestly I don't know if I'd say
yes to the doctor.
Nor do I.
On 18 Aug 2014, at 15:17, David Nyman wrote:
On 18 August 2014 12:19, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Then the arithmetical realism suggests the existence of
approximation of physical realities, without observers. The falling
leaf will make a sound (a 3p wave), but of course,
But after you made one and trained it you couldn't make a copy. You'd have to
start over.
Brent
On 8/19/2014 12:22 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Pretty interesting piece of biomimetic technology that mimics the synapses in a
biological brain. Could this be the hardware
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But after you made one and trained it you couldn't make
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Why can't you make a copy? (Is that in practice, until the next
breakthrough comes along, or is it impossible even in principle, like
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On 8/19/2014 3:57 PM, LizR wrote:
Why can't you make a copy? (Is that in practice, until the next breakthrough comes
along, or is it impossible even in principle, like non-clonable quantum systems?)
Not in principle. But as I read it the network was made by a self-assembly process that
is
On 20 August 2014 04:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
If your altered state of consciousness has no self-awareness, is it still
consciousness? And there's self-consciousness, i.e. being aware you are
thinking. So it's not 'fading' qualia, it different categories of
consciousness.
On 8/19/2014 4:44 PM, LizR wrote:
On 20 August 2014 04:16, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
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If your altered state of consciousness has no self-awareness, is it still
consciousness? And there's self-consciousness, i.e. being aware you are
thinking.
On 19 August 2014 21:35, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I can agree. But it is not entirely, as I suspect you might prefer, a
reversal between 3p reality and 1p reality, as we continue to have a big 3p
reality: the arithmetical reality which contains computer science and the
machine's
On 20 August 2014 12:53, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
In this vein I offer the well-known limerick of Ronald Knox:
There was a young man who said God
Must find it exceedingly odd
To think that the tree
Should continue to be
When there's no one about in the quad.
Reply:
Dear
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On 8/19/2014 2:21 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via
On 8/19/2014 5:53 PM, David Nyman wrote:
On 19 August 2014 21:35, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I can agree. But it is not entirely, as I suspect you might prefer, a
reversal
between 3p reality and 1p reality, as we continue to have a big 3p reality:
On 20 August 2014 11:05, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 8/19/2014 3:57 PM, LizR wrote:
Why can't you make a copy? (Is that in practice, until the next
breakthrough comes along, or is it impossible even in principle, like
non-clonable quantum systems?)
Not in principle. But as I
On 8/19/2014 6:16 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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On 20 August 2014 13:16, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Agreed, but isn't this more akin to a neural network rather than the DNA
of an organism. Our particular network configuration -- e.g. the actual
distribution of neurons and the synaptic
Just to get back to the topic for a moment. Do I read correctly that the
difference between Russell and Bruno lies in whether a raw, in Bruno's
usage, computation in terms of UD* is actualized (vs. what precisely? A
kind of emanating non-raw computation? This is a bit fuzzy from my pov)?
Also,
Most people have assumed the truth is upstairs for a long time...
On 20 August 2014 14:07, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com
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Just to get back to the topic for a moment. Do I read correctly that the
difference between Russell and Bruno lies in whether a raw, in Bruno's
On 20 August 2014 12:27, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Why would different kinds of consciousness be a grandiose concept?
Different *degrees* of consciousness was the grandiose concept. Different
kinds is fairly mundane.
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On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to get back to the topic for a moment. Do I read correctly that the
difference between Russell and Bruno lies in whether a raw, in Bruno's
usage, computation in terms of UD* is actualized (vs. what
On 18 Aug 2014, at 5:33 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Is there a kind of soul that is independent of memory but is a person?
Well, you'd want to hope so by now, surely. After all, if there isn't, then
What's It All (been) About, Alfie?
No cul-de-sacs. Consciousness sails on
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