Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/14/2019 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Feb 2019, at 06:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/12/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or at least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined by the combina

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 1:37:54 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, > > > Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue > doing what it doe

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:15:52 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Feb 2019, at 09:43, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:17:57 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:31, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, Febr

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:01:26 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 13

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > I will do a personal confession: I have never believe in matter, Matter doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it will just continue doing what it does. > *because I have never seen any evidence for it. * That's OK, I don't think matt

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/14/2019 3:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don’t hesitate to find some argument in favour of primitive materials, but in my opinion, this is highly speculative, and never used in physics. But the non-material primitive is never used either.  Insofar as I know, no scientist ever worries abou

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 05:40, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the physicists on here think about this research? > > I f

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 09:43, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:17:57 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:31, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 11, 2019 at 9:24:18 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 Feb

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Feb 2019, at 06:44, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/12/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If we could knew which machine we are, we could define consciousness, or at >> least our personal current consciousness, as it would be defined by the >> combinator realising us. But that i

Re: Algorithm splitting as reason for Quantum Collapse

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Feb 2019, at 19:51, James Coons wrote: > > If we are algorithms executed by duplicated brains in a multiverse, is it > possible that algorithm splitting is the reason for quantum mechanics. Yes, that is the basic intuition of why we have to extract physics from arithmetic, and eventu

Re: modal µ-calculus and Gödel-Löb logic

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > (connecting a programming semantics with a provability logic) > > On Modal µ-Calculus and Gödel-Löb Logic > https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00353743/document Interesting new proof of the fixed point theorem in G. Yes, quite intere

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: >> Two fascinating (and ver

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > >> Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive >> Quantim Me

modal µ-calculus and Gödel-Löb logic

2019-02-15 Thread Philip Thrift
(connecting a programming semantics with a provability logic) On Modal µ-Calculus and Gödel-Löb Logic https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00353743/document μ-calculus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_%CE%BC-calculus - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

Re: On Information Rockets...

2019-02-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I think this is somewhat confused. There is a possible connection here, but it is through quantum mechanics. Mariam Mirzakhani won the Fields Medal in mathematics for her work on the entropy of curves in hyperbolic spaces. In two dimensions this space is the spatial surface embedded in an anti-d

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the physicis