Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-30 Thread Roger Clough
is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-01, 17:59:10 Subject: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems The distinction between correlation and causality occasionally comes up

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-30 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:08:26AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Thanks. Causality has enormous importance, especially if you can differentiate it from correspondence. I sometimes think that the rise of the stock market is causally related to the price of gold. Or

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-08 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 19:15:17 Subject: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems On 11/7/2012 11:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The machine or program that made the calculation doesn't have to be real

Re: Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 15:34:30 Subject: Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 04:54:00AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish According to Leibniz's idealistic metaphysics, nothing is causal, things just appear to happen

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 11/7/2012 9:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I don't know (nor do I suspect that Leibniz knew) how one could calculate such a universe in perfect harmony in advance, but there's no need for that. It is simply an assumption, and looking out on the universe, I see no disharmony-- it all works just

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-07 Thread Roger Clough
: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-07, 10:35:45 Subject: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems On 11/7/2012 9:24 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I don't know (nor do I suspect that Leibniz knew) how one could calculate such a universe in perfect harmony in advance

Re: Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-07 Thread Russell Standish
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 15:34:30 Subject: Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 04:54

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-06 Thread Roger Clough
the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-06, 01:01:59 Subject: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 04:45:55PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: Dear Russell, I have my

Re: Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 04:54:00AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish According to Leibniz's idealistic metaphysics, nothing is causal, things just appear to happen by cause. Their motions instead occur according to a pre-established (a priori) harmony. This is not

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:46:32PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: Hence my snide question about AL: all we know about whatever we call 'life' is only partial and an artificial way to produce it may NOT lead to the real thing (no matter how close we may get to our in-model descriptions). This

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-05 Thread John Mikes
will probably be able to get it from my institution's e-library. - Forwarded message from Complexity Digest Administration comdigad...@turing.iimas.unam.mx - Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems Identifying causal networks is important for effective policy and management

Re: Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-05 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 04:45:55PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: Dear Russell, I have my doubts about causality as a *complete* term: our 'systems', cf: ecosystem etc. include the up-to-date inventory of knowables as in our existing MODEL of the world - which grows over the millennia stepwise.

Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems

2012-11-01 Thread Russell Standish
can't find a non paywalled version. I will probably be able to get it from my institution's e-library. - Forwarded message from Complexity Digest Administration comdigad...@turing.iimas.unam.mx - Detecting Causality in Complex Ecosystems Identifying causal networks is important