Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Oct 2012, at 08:03, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP- hard problems are solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you (I'm

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Oct 2012, at 21:48, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/25/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 20:29, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote: What difference does what they refer to

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-26 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/25/2012 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 20:29, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote: What difference does what they refer to matter? Eventually there has to be some physical process or

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2012, at 20:29, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/24/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote: What difference does what they refer to matter? Eventually there has to be some physical process or we would be incapable of even thinking

Re: Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-24 Thread Roger Clough
: Interactions between mind and brain On 10/23/2012 3:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote: What difference does what they refer to matter? Eventually there has to be some physical process or we would be incapable of even thinking about them! The resources to perform the computation are either available or they are not.

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-24 Thread meekerdb
On 10/24/2012 4:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Just because something has no extension in space I wrote location not extension - don't misquote me. (physical existence) doesn't mean it doesn't exist mentally, for example in Platonia. But existing mentally isn't the same as

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/24/2012 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Oct 2012, at 06:03, Stephen P. King wrote: What difference does what they refer to matter? Eventually there has to be some physical process or we would be incapable of even thinking about them! The resources to perform the computation

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: A top-down effect of consciousness on matter could be inferred if miraculous events were observed in neurophysiology research. The consciousness itself cannot be directly observed. Hi Stathis, This would be

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems are solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you (I'm surely misinterpreting), it seems like you're

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems are solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you (I'm surely

Re: Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net 10/23/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-22, 14:35:15 Subject: Re: Interactions between mind and brain On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems are solvable algorithmically... but

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Stephen P. King
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-22, 14:35:15 Subject: Re: Interactions between mind and brain On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread John Mikes
Hi, Stephen, you wrote some points in accordance with my thinking (whatever that is worth) with one point I disagree with: if you want to argue a point, do not accept it as a base for your argument (even negatively not). You do that all the time. (SPK? etc.) - My fundamental question: what do you

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread meekerdb
On 10/23/2012 3:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/22/2012 11:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/23/2012 4:53 PM, John Mikes wrote: Hi, Stephen, you wrote some points in accordance with my thinking (whatever that is worth) with one point I disagree with: if you want to argue a point, do not accept it as a base for your argument (even negatively not). You do that all the time. (SPK?

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/23/2012 7:16 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 3:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/23/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 10/23/2012 3:40 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: snip But you wrote, Both require the prior existence of a solution to a NP-Hard problem. An existence that is

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-22 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/10/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 10/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: If there is a top-down effect of the mind on the atoms then there we would expect some scientific evidence of

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/22/2012 6:05 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: I don't understand why you're focusing on NP-hard problems... NP-hard problems are solvable algorithmically... but not efficiently. When I read you (I'm surely misinterpreting), it seems like you're saying you can't solve NP-hard problems... it's

Re: Interactions between mind and brain

2012-10-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 10/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: If there is a top-down effect of the mind on the atoms then there we would expect some scientific evidence of this. Evidence would constitute, for example, neurons