Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-15 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:02, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/14/2012 11:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal BRUNO: Matter is what is not determined, and thus contingent indeed, at its very roots, like W and M in a self-duplication exp

Re: Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 13:02:32 Subject: Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary i

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 11:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal BRUNO: Matter is what is not determined, and thus contingent indeed, at its very roots, like W and M in a self-duplication experiment, or like, plausibly when looking at a photon t

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Sep 2012, at 13:44, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal BRUNO: Matter is what is not determined, and thus contingent indeed, at its very roots, like W and M in a self-duplication experiment, or like, plausibly when looking at a photon through a calcite crystal. ROGER: So Newto

Re: Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal BRUNO: Matter is what is not determined, and thus contingent indeed, at its very roots, like W and M in a self-duplication experiment, or like, plausibly when looking at a photon through a calcite crystal. ROGER: So Newton's Laws, such as F = ma, are not deterministic ?

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > OK. The bad is in arithmetic. To believe we can eliminate it would be like > believing we can eliminate the number 666 from N. We can suppress the room > 13 and 17, even 666 in some hostels, but that is the best we can do. > > Still, we

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Aug 2012, at 18:37, Roger Clough wrote: The Supreme monad is necessary because it is necessary. Turing-completeness, is necessary because with less you don't get even elementary arithmetic, and with it, it becomes absolutely undecidable for machines if there is anything more, beyon

Re: Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-23, 13:19:10 Subject: Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe More religion On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM,

Re: Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-08-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
More religion On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > The Supreme monad is necessary because it is necessary. > It is the only monad that can perceive and act. The other monads > are linked to it but passive and have no windows (are bllnd) . > > Thus the supreme monad, which ch

Why the supreme monad is necessary in Leibniz's universe

2012-08-23 Thread Roger Clough
The Supreme monad is necessary because it is necessary. It is the only monad that can perceive and act. The other monads are linked to it but passive and have no windows (are bllnd) . Thus the supreme monad, which choose to call God, is like a CPU (central processing unit or "chip") of a net of