RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Hal Ruhl
I know of no reason to assume that the various branches of MWI run concurrently. If they do not run concurrently then the only way I see for immortality is to be in a branch where immortality is already a possibility inherent in that branch. Hal Ruhl

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread John M
J. Colvin wrote: >> >why do you say that it is logically >> >impossible for an electron to be intelligent? To show that it is >> >*logically* impossible you would have to show that it entails a >> >logical or mathematical contradiction, such as 2+2=5. I will be back to this quote later on. I did n

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread John M
See please after Hal's message John M - Original Message - From: "Hal Ruhl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: RE: many worlds theory of immortality > I know of no reason to assume that the various branches of MWI run > concurrently. > > If they do not

Re: "Free Will Theorem"

2005-04-17 Thread John M
Russell, I hate to discuss sci-fi (the daemon), but you wrote: "The daemon computes the future - not just predicts or guesses, but computes it exactly. " So in your opinion the daemon 'knows' (= applies for this exact comp) all the unlimited details of a totally interconnected world. IMO she canno

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jonathan Colvin
Hal wrote: >Consider a 2-D cellular automaton world like Conway's Life. >Every cell is either occupied or unoccupied. It has one of >two states. Now let us consider such a world in which one >cell holds much more than one bit of information. Suppose it >holds a million bits. This one cel

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jonathan Colvin
>> Bruno:In general worlds are not effective (computable) objects: we cannot >> mechanically (even allowing infinite resources) generate a world.< > >JC: Hmmm..but then if such worlds are not effective objects, how >can they be >said to be "instantiated"? If we extend this to Tegmark, this >i

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jonathan Colvin
JC: >>That's a good question. I can think of a chess position that is >>a-priori illegal. But our macroscopic world is so complex it is far >>from obvious what is allowed and what is forbidden. > >Jesse Mazer: So what if some chess position is illegal? They are only >illegal according to the ru

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal Ruhl wrote: I know of no reason to assume that the various branches of MWI run concurrently. If they do not run concurrently then the only way I see for immortality is to be in a branch where immortality is already a possibility inherent in that branch. I don't see why this should be so. Yo

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jonathan Colvin
>Hal Ruhl wrote: > >>I know of no reason to assume that the various branches of MWI run >>concurrently. >> >>If they do not run concurrently then the only way I see for >immortality >>is to be in a branch where immortality is already a possibility >>inherent in that branch. > >Stathis: I don't

Re: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
John Mikes wrote: I did not follow this thread, because immortality is a nono for my mostly common sense thinking: who wants to 'in eternity' wake up with arthritic pains and struggle with failing memory? Or is immortality understood for an earlier (perfect? when is it?) stage of life, let us say w

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jesse Mazer
Jonathan Colvin wrote: Well, I was elaborating on Bruno's statement that worlds ("maximal consistent set of propositions") of a FS are not computable; that even given infinite resources (ie. infinite time) it is not possible to generate a "complete" world. This suggests to me that it is *not* the

parallel universes

2005-04-17 Thread printmodel
Has anyone on the list experienced personal elevations into one or more of these parallel universes, I have and would like to exchange info mechanically (even allowing infinite resources) generate a world.< JC: Hmmm..but then if such worlds are not effective objects, how ...snip... that this is

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Jonathan Colvin wrote: >Hal Ruhl wrote: > >>I know of no reason to assume that the various branches of MWI run >>concurrently. >> >>If they do not run concurrently then the only way I see for >immortality >>is to be in a branch where immortality is already a possibility >>inherent in that branch. >

Re: Many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jesse Mazer
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Hal Finney") To: everything-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Many worlds theory of immortality Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Jesse Mazer writes: > Would you apply the same logic to copying a mind within a single universe > that you would to the splitting of worl

RE: many worlds theory of immortality

2005-04-17 Thread Jesse Mazer
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Jesse Mazer writes (after quoting Stathis Papaioannou): No doubt, common implementations of your mind will predominate over more bizarre ones at any given point in time. It is also possible to imagine some scenarios where you survive indefinitely with all of your frien