RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-20 Thread Lee Corbin
I have before stated my long-held opinions on this, namely that it's best to regard one's duplicates as self. As a corollary, the you that ends up in one place is 100% you and so is the other. Consider this alternative experiment: we reveal to you that every minute of the last two years you have

Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Hal Finney
I'll offer my thoughts on first-person indeterminacy. This is based on Wei Dai's framework which I have called UD+ASSA. I am working on some web pages to summarize the various conclusions I have drawn from this framework. (Actually, here I am going to in effect use the SSA rather than the

Re: A calculus of personal identity (was:*THE* PUZZLE)

2006-06-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: Withoutreallygettingintoyourthoughtexperiment,Iwanttoaska question.Whatdoesitmeanto"experienceaminuteofcontinuous consciousness"?OK,wehaveabiologicalclockthatgivesusarough senseofrelativepassingoftime.ButIdon'tthinkyoumaintainthat

Re: *THE* PUZZLE (was: ascension, Smullyan, ...)

2006-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 19-juin-06, à 15:31, Russell Standish a écrit : I'm not so sure. At heart, I suspect he is a computationalist, however what he assumes in his papers is that the universe (that we see) is a single specific computation selected from the dovetailer algorithm. With COMP (and with

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Lee Corbin writes: Ihavebeforestatedmylong-heldopinionsonthis, namelythatit'sbesttoregardone'sduplicates asself.Asacorollary,the"you"thatendsup inoneplaceis"100%you"andsoistheother. Considerthisalternativeexperiment:werevealto youthateveryminuteofthelasttwoyearsyouhave

Re: *THE* PUZZLE (was: ascension, Smullyan, ...)

2006-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 20-juin-06, à 04:04, Norman Samish a écrit : I've endured this thread long enough!  Let's get back to something I can understand!   Why? you'll ask.   I'll reply, Because your audience is shrinking!  I've plotted the Audience vs. Topic, and find that, in 12.63 months, there is a 91%

RE: Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal, Are you suggesting that the teleportation B-W,Mcould actually take place, from a third person perspective, but it is possible that the subject entering the teleporter at B from his point of view might actually die - not come out either at W or M? I know there are many people who would say

Re: *THE* PUZZLE (was: ascension, Smullyan, ...)

2006-06-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 11:43:08AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 19-juin-06, à 15:31, Russell Standish a écrit : I'm not so sure. At heart, I suspect he is a computationalist, however what he assumes in his papers is that the universe (that we see) is a single specific

Re: Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Hal Finney
Bruno writes: Hal, It seems to me that you are introducing a notion of physical universe,=20 and then use it to reintroduce a notion of first person death, so that=20 you can bet you will be the one annihilated in Brussels. I should first mention that I did not anticipate the conclusion

Re: Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:35:12AM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: The starting point was the framework I have described previously, which can be stated very simply as that the measure of an information pattern comes from the universal distribution of Kolmogorov. I then applied this analysis to

Re: Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Saibal Mitra
I don't understand why you consider the measures of the programs that do the simulations. The ''real'' measure should be derived from the algorithmic complexity of the laws of physics that describe how the computers/brains work. If you know for certain that a computation will be performed in this

Re: A calculus of personal identity (was:*THE* PUZZLE)

2006-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Tom Caylor writes: Without really getting into your thought experiment, I want to ask a question. What does it mean to experience a minute of continuous consciousness? OK, we have a biological clock that gives us a rough sense of relative passing of

Re: Teleportation thought experiment and UD+ASSA

2006-06-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Hal Finney wrote: I'll offer my thoughts on first-person indeterminacy. This is based on Wei Dai's framework which I have called UD+ASSA. I am working on some web pages to summarize the various conclusions I have drawn from this framework. (Actually, here I am going to in effect use the

RE: A calculus of personal identity

2006-06-20 Thread Lee Corbin
Stathis writes No important difference exists between one person to whom this is happening, and his neighbor to whom it is not. They both feel similarly, and by hypothesis lead very similar lives. If we had evolved in a world where multiple copies of people exist at the same time,