Re: computationalism and supervenience

2006-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 15-sept.-06, à 13:53, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Yes, that's just what I would say. The only purpose served by the rock is to provide the real world dynamism part of the computation, even if it does this simply by mapping lines of code to the otherwise idle passage of time. The

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 19-sept.-06, à 08:02, Colin Hales a écrit : x-tad-biggerHi,/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger’/x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerm overrun with stuff at uni, but I have this one issue /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger–/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger solipsism- which is hot and we seem to be

Re: The Mathematico-Cognition Reality Theory (MCRT) Ver 6.0

2006-09-20 Thread David Nyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I think integrated patches of Knowledge-Information (logical-depth complexity) are the 'islands' in the 'sea' of raw Information (Shannon or statistical type complexity). And I think there's a third kind of information associated with Qualia which isn't

Re: The Mathematico-Cognition Reality Theory (MCRT) Ver 6.0

2006-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 19-sept.-06, à 11:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Interesting what you said about modal and category theory. I don't know much about category theory and I'd be interested to know how you would define it. So: what is category theory? As far as I can make out it's a highly advanced

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread 1Z
Colin Hales wrote: Hi, I'm overrun with stuff at uni, but I have this one issue - solipsism- which is hot and we seem to be touching on, so I thought you may help me collect my thoughts before I run off. gotta leave all those threads hanging there.and I left them in an awfully under

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: It would be a problem if the actual infinities or infinitesimals were thrid person describable *and* playing some role in the process of individuating consciousness. In that case comp is false. About solipsism I am not sure why you introduce the subject. It seems to

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 20-sept.-06, à 14:08, 1Z a écrit : This isn't the only way COMP couldbe false. For instance, if matter exists, consciousness could be dependent on it. Thus, while the existence of matter might disprove the Bruno version of comp, it doesn't prove the existence of actual infintities. If

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread 1Z
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-sept.-06, à 14:08, 1Z a écrit : This isn't the only way COMP couldbe false. For instance, if matter exists, consciousness could be dependent on it. Thus, while the existence of matter might disprove the Bruno version of comp, it doesn't prove the existence of

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: 1Z wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: It would be a problem if the actual infinities or infinitesimals were thrid person describable *and* playing some role in the process of individuating consciousness. In that case comp is false. About solipsism I am not sure why

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-sept.-06, à 14:08, 1Z a écrit : This isn't the only way COMP couldbe false. For instance, if matter exists, consciousness could be dependent on it. Thus, while the existence of matter might disprove the Bruno version of comp, it doesn't prove the existence of

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread 1Z
Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 20-sept.-06, à 14:08, 1Z a écrit : This isn't the only way COMP couldbe false. For instance, if matter exists, consciousness could be dependent on it. Thus, while the existence of matter might disprove the Bruno version of comp, it doesn't

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread jamikes
I had in mind (from very 'old' studies/readings) a somewhat different version of the hard' solipsism and this one - sort of - eliminates the validity of the questions. I will interject. My take was Russell's remark I mark with *** in the post. John M - Original Message - From: Russell

RE: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: About solipsism I am not sure why you introduce the subject. It seems to me nobody defend it in the list. Is anyone out there really a solipsist? Has anyone ever met or talked to a real solipsist? Stathis Papaioannou

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Bruno Marchal writes: About solipsism I am not sure why you introduce the subject. It seems to me nobody defend it in the list. Is anyone out there really a solipsist? Has anyone ever met or talked to a real solipsist? Stathis Papaioannou Will all those

Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

RE: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test

2006-09-20 Thread Colin Hales
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:52 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test Colin Hales

RE: Solipsism unplugged

2006-09-20 Thread Colin Hales
This is an extract from the full work on solipsism. It is one special section written in the first person, for what else could a solipsist scientist do? I'd be interested in any comments... it paints a rather bizarre picture of science. - I,

Re: Solipsism unplugged

2006-09-20 Thread George Levy
The scientist could prove that he is not alone by invoking the principle of sufficient reason: nothing is arbitrary and exist with no reason. If something exists in a particular arbitrary way (himself) with no reason for him to be in that particular way, then all other alternatives of him must

RE: Solipsism unplugged

2006-09-20 Thread Colin Hales
George Levy: The scientist could prove that he is not alone by invoking the principle of sufficient reason: nothing is arbitrary and exist with no reason. If something exists in a particular arbitrary way (himself) with no reason for him to be in that particular way, then all other