RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Jason Resch writes: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:42:48 +> > > On Jan 27, 9:02 pm, Stathis Papaioannou > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > It's true that if every entity assumes it is common, more e

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Brent Meeker writes:> Stathis Papaioannou wrote:> > Brent Meeker writes:> > > > > > > This raises the question again of "what is the minimum duration of a> > > > conscious state"? You mention 5sec as being a long time for a> > > > coincidental match (would there still be two consciousnesses

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

On 1/28/07, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Consciousness *seems* to be continuous even if at a fundamental level time > or brain processes are discrete. Also, although I agree that there is no > necessary connection between observer moments, there *seems* to be a > connection,

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent Meeker writes: > > > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > Brent Meeker writes: > > > > > > > > > This raises the question again of "what is the minimum > duration of a > > > > > conscious state"? You mention 5sec as being a long time for a > > > > > coinciden

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Jason Resch wrote: > On 1/28/07, *Stathis Papaioannou* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > Consciousness *seems* to be continuous even if at a fundamental level > time or brain processes are discrete. Also, although I agree that > there is no necessary connection betwe

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

On 1/28/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think this is the way to look at it. It's true that QM predicts > an uncountably infinite number of branchings, even for an universe > containing only a single unstable particle. But these branchings don't > produce different copie

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Jason Resch wrote: > On 1/28/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > I don't think this is the way to look at it. It's true that QM > predicts an uncountably infinite number of branchings, even for an > universe containing only a single unstable parti

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 03:36:24PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > Russell Standish writes:> There is good reason to suppose that the absolute > measure of an> observer moment is inversely proportional to the exponential > of the> OM's complexity (this is discussed elsewhere in my book).

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 04:42:48AM -, Jason wrote: > I agree that regardless of the creation or destruction of other > copies, there is no reason for there ever to be any effect on first > person experience, that means no funny feelings, no loss of > consciousness, etc. > > RSSA Proponents

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Brent Meeker writes: > > > Assuming that consciousness supervenes on the physics, this follows > > > > > just from the continuity of the physics. But it doesn't follow that > > > > > there is some experience corresponding to 1msec of brain processing - it > > > > > might be that "seeing the f

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Brent Meeker writes (quoting Jason Resch): > > If many-worlds is true, consider for a second how many histories> > lines > > (and copies of you) must have been created by now. The > > universe had > > been branching into untold numbers of copies, untold > > numbers of times > > each second, f

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > Brent Meeker writes: > > > > > Assuming that consciousness supervenes on the physics, this follows > > > just from the continuity of the physics. But it doesn't follow that > > > there is some experience corresponding to 1msec of brain processing > - it > > >

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent Meeker writes (quoting Jason Resch): > > > > If many-worlds is true, consider for a second how many histories > > > lines (and copies of you) must have been created by now. The > > > universe had been branching into untold numbers of copies, untold > > > nu

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

One thing that I do not agree with is what seems to me to be a common holding regarding observer moments [by this I mean discrete states of universes [which are a sub set of possible "objects"]] is that they are each so far assumed to have a set of properties that are to some extent the same

Re: R�p : The Meaning of Life

On Jan 27, 6:52�am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le 26-janv.-07, � 15:13, Mark Peaty a �crit : > > > �Bruno: > > �" 4) Mark Peaty wrote (to Brent): > > >> As I say, the essence of evil is the act of treating other persons as > >> things. > > > �I so agree with you. And th

RE: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Brent Meeker writes: > > > OK, but that means "observer moments" are not fundamental and the > > > > > "illusion" of their continuity may be provided by the continuity of > > > > > their underpinning. But I don't see how a strictly stepwise discrete > > > > > process as contemplated in the UD

Re: R�p : The Meaning of Life

On Jan 27, 7:50�am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le 26-janv.-07, � 19:00, Tom Caylor a �crit : > > > Why do we need to eliminate first-person white rabbits? �For purposes > > of science, is not elimination of third-person (or first-person plural) > > white rabbits sufficient?

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Tom Caylor wrote: > On Jan 27, 6:52�am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Le 26-janv.-07, � 15:13, Mark Peaty a �crit : >> >>> �Bruno: >>> �" 4) Mark Peaty wrote (to Brent): As I say, the essence of evil is the act of treating other persons as things. >>> �I so agree with you.

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Brent Meeker writes: > > > > > OK, but that means "observer moments" are not fundamental and the > > > "illusion" of their continuity may be provided by the continuity of > > > their underpinning. But I don't see how a strictly stepwise discrete > > > process as