Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-07-25 Thread benjayk
>Worms are probably between humans and inanimate objects in this respect. There consciouss blurs quite >much, but less so than that of your tables. It's probably experienced as a consistent, but very blurry life, >outside of drug trips and the like. This question was adressed in a dream that I ha

Re: Block Time confirmed?

2011-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2011, at 03:05, Stephen P. King wrote: On 7/24/2011 4:03 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jul 2011, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote: I found an alternative to this that does not assume P = NP and that an infinite computation can occur in 0 steps which I can show, at least in Leib

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Jul 24, 9:52 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> It sounds like you do believe that if the neurons in your visual >> cortex are replaced you could become blind but not notice that >> anything has changed and continue to behave normally.

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 25, 8:32 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > The replacement neurons are integrated so that they interact with the > rest of the brain just as normal brain tissue would. An example is the > one you came up with, neurons without their nucleus, which would > function normally at least for a few

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Jul 25, 8:32 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> The replacement neurons are integrated so that they interact with the >> rest of the brain just as normal brain tissue would. An example is the >> one you came up with, neurons without th

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 24, 11:00 pm, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > Hi,http://www.stationlink.com/docs/Executive_Summary_SEE_TOE_v4.pdf > There's a lot of unfamiliar terminology. However, I think I can see a very > high correlation between my general ideas (for example, Hales, C. G. (2009). > Dual Aspect Science

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Jul 25, 8:32 am, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The replacement neurons are integrated so that they interact with the rest of the brain just as normal brain tissue would. An example is the one you came up with, neurons without their nucleus,

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 25, 1:57 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:23, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If they can only function for a few minutes, then that function may > > not be 'normal' to anything except us as distantly removed observers. > > This like saying that a plane which crashes at 10 pm, wa

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
> You've completely missed the point again. Perhaps you could try > reading Chalmers' paper if you haven't already done so: > > http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html > > Unfortunately some people just don't seem to understand it. I have read it, and it's a good way of understanding the issue if you

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >  > You've completely missed the point again. Perhaps you could try >> reading Chalmers' paper if you haven't already done so: >> >> http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html >> >> Unfortunately some people just don't seem to understand it. > > I h

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Jul 25, 7:44 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > The argument in the paper is independent of any particular theory of > consciousness. It just asks the question of whether consciousness can > be separated from externally observable brain function. With my theory of consciousness, that's the wron

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Jul 25, 7:44 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> The argument in the paper is independent of any particular theory of >> consciousness. It just asks the question of whether consciousness can >> be separated from externally observable br

Re: bruno list

2011-07-25 Thread meekerdb
Not zombie neurons, just zombie imitation neurons. A natural neuron could not be a zombie, but you could make a neuron that you think should function like a natural neuron and it would not be able to be well integrated into the person's consciousness. That's beside the point. The only requirem