Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't explain why biological organisms would experience themselves as a separate class of phenomena than chemistry. Biochemis

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > You know, I was raised in the USSR where the official religion was atheism > and materialism. The results were disastrous. Um, I rather suspect the disaster was from having an official religion, enforced by men with guns, regardless of whic

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 5, 3:11 am, meekerdb wrote: > On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >> Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. > > I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't > > explain why biological organisms would experience themselves as a > > s

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Sep 2011, at 22:06, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 12:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 8:32 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 07:51 meekerdb said the following: ...

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Evgenii, On 04 Sep 2011, at 18:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A short remark. I have decided start with philosophy, as it is more entertaining as mathematical logic. I'm afraid you are wrong on this, with all my respect. Mathematical logic is the most entertaining thing in the world (except

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Sep 2011, at 20:24, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 4:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Well, either the atoms got into the book by following the rules of physics or they got there by magic. What other options are there? This does

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2011, at 09:11, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't explain why biological organisms would experience themselves as a separate c

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is equal to B? The answer is no, A and B are after all different persons. Yet then the question woul

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.09.2011 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/4/2011 11:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 17:30 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 07:51 meekerdb said the following: ... If that's what you're trying y

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.09.2011 07:59 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hence you could take the existence of people in the USA who "believe in an immaterial spirit, distinct from brain processes" positively. After all, they are working hard and contrib

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is equal to B? The answer is no, A and B are after all di

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:16 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/4/2011 11:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 17:30 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 07:51 meekerdb said the fol

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:23 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.09.2011 07:59 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hence you could take the existence of people in the USA who "believe in an immaterial spirit, distinct from brain processes" positively.

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is equa

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 5, 1:01 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > May be Mechanism will be refuted, but meanwhile it illustrates that   > some explanation exists. If mechanism is correct it does explains   > completely gravity, time, space, quanta, and it does explain almost   > completely the qualia, except for a gap,

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> Nothing really new has turned up in the physics underlying the brain >> in over a century, > > I'm assuming you're just being thoughtlessly condescending here and > not actually saying that physics has not changed in 100 years, or that > th

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >> Insofar as religion makes no predictions about the world it cannot >> be proved or disproved. But when it does make predictions, for >> example that the Earth is 6000 years old, usually believers cannot >> say what evidence they would accep

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2011 6:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as univ

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 8:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2011 6:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that