Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Hence you could take the existence of people in the USA who believe in an immaterial spirit, distinct from brain processes positively. After all, they are working hard and contribute to prosperity. In any case, I do not

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 4, 7:10 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Well, either the atoms got into the book by following the rules of physics or they got there by magic. What other options are there? This does not

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 4, 2:24 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And no just to theories of consciousness. When Newton was challenged to explain the cause of gravity he replied, Hypothesi non fingo. What we think of as successful scientific theories are ones that have descriptive and predictive

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't explain why biological organisms would experience themselves as a separate class of phenomena than chemistry.

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: You know, I was raised in the USSR where the official religion was atheism and materialism. The results were disastrous. Um, I rather suspect the disaster was from having an official religion, enforced by men with guns,

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 5, 3:11 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't explain why biological organisms would experience

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Sep 2011, at 22:06, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 12:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/4/2011 8:32 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.09.2011

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Evgenii, On 04 Sep 2011, at 18:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A short remark. I have decided start with philosophy, as it is more entertaining as mathematical logic. I'm afraid you are wrong on this, with all my respect. Mathematical logic is the most entertaining thing in the world

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Sep 2011, at 20:24, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 4:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Well, either the atoms got into the book by following the rules of physics or they got there by magic. What other options

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Sep 2011, at 09:11, meekerdb wrote: On 9/4/2011 9:48 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe that's because you don't know anything about abiogenesis. I'm fine with abiogenesis,but it's reverse engineered so it doesn't explain why biological organisms would experience themselves as a separate

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is equal to B? The answer is no, A and B are after all different persons. Yet then the question

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.09.2011 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/4/2011 11:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 17:30 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.09.2011 07:51 meekerdb said the following: ... If that's

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.09.2011 07:59 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Hence you could take the existence of people in the USA who believe in an immaterial spirit, distinct from brain processes positively. After all, they are working

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is equal to B? The answer is no, A and B are after all

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:16 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/4/2011 11:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.09.2011 17:30 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 04/09/2011, at 11:25 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.09.2011 07:51

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 12:23 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.09.2011 07:59 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Hence you could take the existence of people in the USA who believe in an immaterial spirit, distinct from brain

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen P. King
Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example: A is a person; B is a person. Does A is

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as universals as well). A simple example:

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sep 5, 1:01 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: May be Mechanism will be refuted, but meanwhile it illustrates that   some explanation exists. If mechanism is correct it does explains   completely gravity, time, space, quanta, and it does explain almost   completely the qualia,

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing really new has turned up in the physics underlying the brain in over a century, I'm assuming you're just being thoughtlessly condescending here and not actually saying that physics has not changed in 100

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Insofar as religion makes no predictions about the world it cannot be proved or disproved. But when it does make predictions, for example that the Earth is 6000 years old, usually believers cannot say what evidence they

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2011 6:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that numbers could be probably considered as

Re: Realism, nominalism and comp

2011-09-05 Thread meekerdb
On 9/5/2011 8:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/5/2011 6:32 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 1:40 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Brent, On 9/5/2011 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2011 12:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Realism and nominalism in philosophy are related to universals (I guess that