Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Dec 2012, at 18:48, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno, Another quote I can't find is one to the effect that "For every complex problem one can usually find simple solutions that are almost always wrong." This is the case with modern cognitive science: 1) It ignored Descartes' two substa

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Dec 2012, at 22:13, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Roger, This is the case with modern cognitive science: 1) It ignored Descartes' two substance (mind and brain) solution to the mind/brain problem in favor of treating both substances

Re: Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen, I think that's just more materialist wishful thinking, because mind and body are completely different substances, no matter what your philosophy or science, and cannot interact. The failure to solve the "hard problem" shows that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/7/2012 "For

Re: Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi ya'll , String theory is outside of spacetime but strings, if they exist, must exist in spacetime. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiv

Can strings be substances or monads ?

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist and All, Stone space is theory, so nonphysical, beyond spacetime. Monad space is the same. But if the "stones" or "objects of interest that stone space refers to" are sufficiently large, they might possibly be considered as corporeal bodies, so could be the objects of mona

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist No, the properties are outside of spacetime, the objects of the properties are within spacetime. You still don't get it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content ---

Re: We banned CFCs but the ozone hole still occasionally gets smaller

2012-12-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/7/2012 6:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote: I'm just as eager to clean up the atmosphere of pollution by the products of fossil fuel burning, as well as to stop global warming or climate change as the next guy, but there is considerable doubt by many (including me) that these changes are due to m

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/7/2012 7:04 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen, I think that's just more materialist wishful thinking, because mind and body are completely different substances, no matter what your philosophy or science, and cannot interact. The failure to solve the "hard problem" shows that. [Roger Clou

Whoopie ! The natural numbers are indeed monads

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal 1) We in fact agree about what 1p is, except IMHO it is the Supreme Monad viewing the world THROUGH an individual's 1p that I would call the inner God. Or any God. 2) Previously I dismissed numbers as being monads because I thought that all monads had to refer to physical subs

Fw: Whoopie ! The natural INTEGERS are indeed monads

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Obviously, I meant the natural integers, not the natural numbers, whatever they be. - Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-07, 08:18:36 Subject: Whoopie ! The natural numbers are indeed monads Hi Bruno Marchal

An additional observation-- But only the prime numbers can be monads. Cool.

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
Here's an additional observation-- Only the prime numbers can be monads, because all other integers can not be subdivided and still remain integers. Cool. - Have received the following content - Sender: Roger Clough Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-07, 08:33:37 Subject:

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger, Different substances have been shown to be capable of entanglement if they are in the form of a BEC- Bose-Einstein Condensate. Richard On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > "There are no "substances", there are only processes" > > In terms of category theory, this is

More medications now interact with grapefruit--sudden death possible

2012-12-07 Thread Roger Clough
I found that the lovastatin anticholesterol I had been taken interacts with grapefruit. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-checkup/post/more-medications-now-interact-with-grapefruit-results-sometimes-dire/2012/11/26/62c6eab2-37ff-11e2-9258-ac7c78d5c680_blog.html Posted at 07:00 AM ET, 11/27

the conditional quantum entropy may be negative

2012-12-07 Thread Richard Ruquist
Russell, I finally found some confirmation of there being negative quantum (von Neumann) entropy for entangled systems: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_quantum_entropy "The classical joint entropy is always at least equal to the entropy of each individual system. This is not the case for the j

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-07 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Doing the experience yourself >>> >> >> >>Which one is "yourself" after duplication? >> > > >One of them with P = 1/2. That neatly sums up the entire problem, the insistence that there is only one correct answer to the question "what city will you s

Re: a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas

2012-12-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Dec 2012, at 01:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/5/2012 1:01 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: L's monads have perception. They sense the entire universe. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stephen P. King > > > God isn't artificially inserted into L's metaphysics, >

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/7/2012 9:02 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: "There are no "substances", there are only processes" In terms of category theory, this is like "there are no categoríes, there are only arrows!" Dear Alberto, Indeed! Have you studied a bit of N-Category theory

Re: the conditional quantum entropy may be negative

2012-12-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 10:51:49AM -0500, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Russell, > > I finally found some confirmation of there being negative quantum (von > Neumann) entropy for entangled systems: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_quantum_entropy > "The classical joint entropy is always at least

Re: We banned CFCs but the ozone hole still occasionally gets smaller

2012-12-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 06:48:15AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > > I'm just as eager to clean up the atmosphere of pollution > by the products of fossil fuel burning, as well as to stop global warming or > climate change as the next guy, but there is considerable doubt > by many (including me) that

Re: a paper on Leibnizian mathematical ideas

2012-12-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/7/2012 1:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Dec 2012, at 01:51, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/5/2012 1:01 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: L's monads have perception. They sense the entire universe. On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roger Clough wrote: >Hi Stephen P. King > > >God isn't artif

Re: The two wrong paths of modern cognitive science

2012-12-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/7/2012 6:01 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Fantastic links, specially the latter. I´ll read it. This is my standpoint now: First is necessary to define existence. My standpoint is that what exists is what the mind assumes that exist (because it is relevant) . Dear Alberto, But thi

Re: We banned CFCs but the ozone hole still occasionally gets smaller

2012-12-07 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 06:48:15AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> I'm just as eager to clean up the atmosphere of pollution >> by the products of fossil fuel burning, as well as to stop global warming or >> climate change as the next guy,