Hi Richard Ruquist 

No, the properties are outside of spacetime, the objects
of the properties are within spacetime. You still don't get it.


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/7/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen

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Time: 2012-12-06, 09:50:18
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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Richard Ruquist
>
> Entities are either in spacetime (physical),
> or outside of spacetime (nonphysical).

Merely an assumption Roger because you cannot understand how entities
in spacetime can have properties that are effectively outside of
spacetime. Sobeit.
Richard

>
> Quanta are outside of spacetime (as nonphysical probability fields)
> until detected or they hit a barrier, which puts them inside of
> spacetime (they become physical such as a photon or electron),
> since in that case one can assign a location to them at a specific time.
>
>
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 12/6/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
>
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> Time: 2012-12-05, 13:00:30
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>
> Mapping refers to the perception of the monads.
> The string theory monads exist in space
> but have properties that effectively
> put them outside of spacetime.
> They are not simply ideas
> if string theory is correct.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Richard Ruquist
>>
>> You still don't understand. You're confusing the map
>> (the monads, which you can think of as ideas or information)
>> with the territory (physical space).
>>
>> It is the corporeal bodies of substances that the monads refer to,
>> not the monads themselves, are distributed in space, but the monads are
>> not. They are just ideas, which as always are outside of spacetime.
>>
>>
>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/5/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>
>>
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>> Time: 2012-12-05, 09:34:15
>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>>
>> Roger does not understand my argument that the monads of string theory
>> are effectively inextended despite they being uniformly distributed
>> throughout the universe at a density of 10^90/cc because each monad
>> maps the entire universe instantly and they collectively form a BEC.
>> In addition they collectively possess Peano cosmic consciousness so
>> that there is no need for a supreme monad. Richard
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Richard Ruquist
>>>
>>> You still don't understand inextended variables. Since 1p
>>> is inextended (it involves consciousness), 1p has no size,
>>> so it could include an infinite number of universes.
>>>
>>>
>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>>> 12/5/2012
>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>
>>>
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>>> Subject: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>>>
>>> RC,
>>> So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times.
>>> RR
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Richard Ruquist
>>>>
>>>> Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz.
>>>> The supreme monad sees all clearly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>>>> 12/3/2012
>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Time: 2012-12-03, 05:59:05
>>>> Subject: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>>>>
>>>> Roger,
>>>>
>>>> Isn't your god an observer?
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>>>>> 12/3/2012
>>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>>>>>
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>>>>> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick
>>>>>> wall
>>>>>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon
>>>>>> makes
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> > not destroyed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick
>>>>> wall
>>>>> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good
>>>>> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the
>>>>> wall
>>>>> in slightly different places;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The
>>>>> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each
>>>>> electron
>>>>> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film.
>>>>> Now
>>>>> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of
>>>>> each
>>>>> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron.
>>>>>
>>>>> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the
>>>>> same
>>>>> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the
>>>>> electrons
>>>>> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and
>>>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls
>>>>> would
>>>>> have the same charge and mass.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the
>>>>> path
>>>>> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But
>>>>> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other
>>>>> leg.
>>>>> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the
>>>>> focal
>>>>> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way
>>>>> information,
>>>>> you erase it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent
>>>>>
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