Hi Richard Ruquist No, the properties are outside of spacetime, the objects of the properties are within spacetime. You still don't get it.
[Roger Clough], [[email protected]] 12/7/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-06, 09:50:18 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Entities are either in spacetime (physical), > or outside of spacetime (nonphysical). Merely an assumption Roger because you cannot understand how entities in spacetime can have properties that are effectively outside of spacetime. Sobeit. Richard > > Quanta are outside of spacetime (as nonphysical probability fields) > until detected or they hit a barrier, which puts them inside of > spacetime (they become physical such as a photon or electron), > since in that case one can assign a location to them at a specific time. > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 12/6/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-12-05, 13:00:30 > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. > > Mapping refers to the perception of the monads. > The string theory monads exist in space > but have properties that effectively > put them outside of spacetime. > They are not simply ideas > if string theory is correct. > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Richard Ruquist >> >> You still don't understand. You're confusing the map >> (the monads, which you can think of as ideas or information) >> with the territory (physical space). >> >> It is the corporeal bodies of substances that the monads refer to, >> not the monads themselves, are distributed in space, but the monads are >> not. They are just ideas, which as always are outside of spacetime. >> >> >> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >> 12/5/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: Richard Ruquist >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-12-05, 09:34:15 >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >> >> Roger does not understand my argument that the monads of string theory >> are effectively inextended despite they being uniformly distributed >> throughout the universe at a density of 10^90/cc because each monad >> maps the entire universe instantly and they collectively form a BEC. >> In addition they collectively possess Peano cosmic consciousness so >> that there is no need for a supreme monad. Richard >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>> >>> You still don't understand inextended variables. Since 1p >>> is inextended (it involves consciousness), 1p has no size, >>> so it could include an infinite number of universes. >>> >>> >>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>> 12/5/2012 >>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>> From: Richard Ruquist >>> Receiver: everything-list >>> Time: 2012-12-03, 08:54:30 >>> Subject: Re: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>> >>> RC, >>> So the entire universe can be in 1p at all times. >>> RR >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Richard Ruquist >>>> >>>> Yes, God is the supreme observer. See Leibniz. >>>> The supreme monad sees all clearly. >>>> >>>> >>>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>>> 12/3/2012 >>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>> From: Richard Ruquist >>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>> Time: 2012-12-03, 05:59:05 >>>> Subject: Re: One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>>> >>>> Roger, >>>> >>>> Isn't your god an observer? >>>> Richard >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> One cannot have 1p if there is no observer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] >>>>> 12/3/2012 >>>>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >>>>> From: meekerdb >>>>> Receiver: everything-list >>>>> Time: 2012-12-01, 18:00:16 >>>>> Subject: Re: Against Mechanism >>>>> >>>>> On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same >>>>>> thing >>>>>> would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick >>>>>> wall >>>>>> instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon >>>>>> makes >>>>>> a >>>>>> record (whatever that is) but simply that it is destroyed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > But you can do the experiment with electrons too, and the electrons >>>>>> > are >>>>>> > not destroyed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good point. If electrons are used in the two-split experiment a brick >>>>> wall >>>>> probably wouldn't do, you'd need a metal wall. Brick is a pretty good >>>>> insulator so you'd end up with 2 small negatively charged spots on the >>>>> wall >>>>> in slightly different places; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How would you get two charged spots? Would each have charge -e/2? The >>>>> experiment was originally done with photographic film, so that each >>>>> electron >>>>> ionized a silver halide atom resulting in a silver spot on the film. >>>>> Now >>>>> it's usually down is some kind of detector that amplifies the effect of >>>>> each >>>>> electron. Neither one has anything to do with destroying the electron. >>>>> >>>>> the walls would not be the same and so the 2 universes would not be the >>>>> same >>>>> and so they would not merge. However if it was a metal wall the >>>>> electrons >>>>> would just join the general sea of free electrons in the metal and >>>>> there >>>>> is >>>>> no way even in theory to tell one electron from another. So the walls >>>>> would >>>>> have the same charge and mass. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But in an entangled electron pair experiment (EPR type) detecting the >>>>> path >>>>> of one electron destroys the interference pattern on the other leg. But >>>>> also just absorbing one electron destroys the interference on the other >>>>> leg. >>>>> To maintain the interference you have to absorb the electron at the >>>>> focal >>>>> point of a lens so that you not only don't detect the which-way >>>>> information, >>>>> you erase it. >>>>> >>>>> Brent >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "Everything List" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "Everything List" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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